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Which gospel is the gospel of your salvation? (HINT: It's not the gospel of the kingdom).
THE APOSTLES DID NOT PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL
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Which gospel is the gospel of your salvation? (HINT: It's not the gospel of the kingdom).
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There are a number of difference salvation's written about in the Bible. Just as there are a number of gospels in the Bible as well.
What gospel did Jesus send the 12 to preach prior to the crucifixion?
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You said: Note that we have forgiveness of sin now only through the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6; 1 Corinthians 11:25; Matthew 26:28).
The body of Christ is not given any covenants. Jesus shed his blood for the remission of sins under the first covenant for Israel. Jesus revealed to Paul that the same shed blood would provide justification to all freely through faith.
In the past it was not made known how God could forgive sinners like Abraham or David or Israel. Paul revealed the mystery hid in God that it was by the merits of the sacrifice of Christ and the cross. No one before Paul could preach this gospel because it was not yet revealed.
bibleverse2
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Note that it is (Acts 14:22).
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Note that there is only one Gospel of salvation (Romans 1:16).
bibleverse2
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Note that there is only one Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9), which includes multiple aspects. The core of the Gospel is that we can be initially saved from hell by believing that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ and the human/divine Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36; 1 John 2:23) and that He suffered and died on the Cross for our sins and rose physically from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 24:39,46-47, Matthew 20:19, Matthew 26:28).
And the Gospel is that we can be ultimately saved from hell if we continue to believe this to the end (Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Colossians 1:23), and continue to perform good works of faith to the end (Romans 2:6-8; 1 Thessalonians 1:3), and repent from every sin that we commit (Hebrews 10:26-29), and get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16, Romans 6:3-11), and partake of Jesus' divine flesh and blood in the bread and wine of Communion (John 6:53; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30), and forgive everyone for everything (Matthew 6:14-15), and do all that we can (Romans 12:18) to make reparations to and peace with everyone whom we have ever wronged (Matthew 5:23-26), and help Christians in need (Matthew 25:34-46), and provide for our families (1 Timothy 5:8), and do not blaspheme God's Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29), and do not remove words from the book of Revelation (Revelation 22:19), and do not worship the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") or worship his image or willingly receive his mark (Revelation 14:9-12), but continue in God's goodness to the end (Romans 11:22) and overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26).
Before Jesus Christ acknowledged these aspects of the Gospel to His disciples (e.g. in Matthew 16:16-17, Matthew 16:21, Matthew 26:28), the aspect of the Gospel which He preached was the Kingdom of God (e.g. Matthew 4:23, Matthew 6:33, Matthew 12:28).
(See post #64 above)
bibleverse2
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Note that the BOC is under the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6).
Note that Jesus shed His blood under the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28).
See post #23 above for how the Gospel was already in the OT.
Also, regarding the mystery, see post #5 above.
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That's too bad because God is offering salvation by grace through faith TODAY, but not a kingdom on the earth.
It's interesting that you choose a verse that makes a distinction between Jew and Greek when Paul says that there is no difference in the body of Christ. Gal 3:28
In the body of Christ there is NO "Jew first".
I sincerely hope that you come to the knowledge of the truth before it's too late.
Answer the question. What did the 12 preach when Jesus sent them out to do so prior to His crucifixion?
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If I may I would like to address your post on salvation. You have a lot to un pack here and I will do it piecemeal.
First of all you are right in identifying the gospel for our justification unto eternal life in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. This is all that has to be believed to be saved. Christ has accomplished a complete salvation not an initial salvation.
Hebrews 3:6,12,14 is addressed to Jews who are under the law and covenant and must endure to the end to be saved to enter the Davidic kingdom on earth.
Colossians 1:23 is saying that we need to continue in the faith to be holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight. This is not saying we lose salvation this is talking about our conduct being holy before God and being conformed to the image of Christ.
Romans 2:6-8 is speaking of the judgment of God....this is how he will judge those who have not placed faith in Christ.
1 Thessalonians 1:3 does not even say if you don't do all this you are going to hell....Paul is giving thanks for their labours in God's sight.
Hebrews 10:26-29 is addressed to Jews under the covenant and undergoing persecution and considering reverting back to the Levitical sacrifices and were being urged to go onto perfection in Christ and the better new covenant. This is not saying if we sin we lose the sacrifice Christ made for our sin.The Jews could lose the promises and inheritance in the kingdom if they did not endure.
I wonder who it is that posts like this are suppose to convince?
What exactly is the point of showing up on a thread and posting one single post with nothing quoted and no argument made. It's just a bald assertion shouted into the aether.
Truster, if you have an argument to make then make it. If you know so much more than we do such that we don't even know what the word "gospel" means, then it should be easy enough for you to teach it to us. Please, by all means, show us just how bird brained we are!
By the way, it isn't proper to use both "or" and "nor" in the same sentence and I'm pretty sure that neither the Old nor the New Testament were spoken. It seems like both are entirely written. Just sayin'.
(entirely written - just sayin' - see what I did there? :chuckle: )
Seriously though, you showing up and saying something doesn't make it so. Make an argument! It's much more interesting and people might actualy start to care about what you write in your posts.
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Mark 16:16 The twelve were told to go into all the world and preach the gospel of the kingdom and to be saved to enter into the Davidic kingdom on earth. This is not the commission of the church today it was to the twelve.
Romans 6:3-11 is baptism into Christ by the Spirit and those in Christ are to reckon themselves dead unto sin. This is not being baptized in water and is not the baptism of Mark 16:16 nor John's baptism, both of which were for Israel to be cleansed from sin to enter the kingdom.
The communion in 1 Corinthians 11 is for the body of Christ. It is for the oneness of the body through the shed blood of Christ for our justification unto eternal life. It is not the Passover. The body of Christ is not placed under the new testament. Communion does not save us or keep us saved.
Matthew 6:14-15 Is the requirement for Israel under the covenant to forgive others to be forgiven. The body of Christ is already forgiven in Christ.
Matthew 5:23-26 is more about forgiving under the covenant and the law.
Matthew 25:34-46 is when the Gentile nations are judged as to whether or not they enter the Davidic millennial kingdom on earth based on how they treated Israel in the tribulation.
Revelation 3:5 Israel has to endure to the end of the tribulation and remain faithful to enter the kingdom.
One last thing in regard to Mark 16:16
In regards to baptism being necessary for our salvation....Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Baptism was not part of the gospel preached by Paul otherwise he would have preached baptism as a requirement of salvation. Baptism was distinct from the gospel, not part of it.
It was what Christ did by his cross.
Anything I post will be understood by those to whom it is directed. To the likes of you, it will be foolishness.
"The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of Elohim. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Once again, saying it doesn't make it so, Truster.
Besides, I understand you fully! It isn't that your bald assertions are difficult to understand, it's that they are not neither addressed to anyone in particular nor substantiated by any sort of argument whatsoever! They're just floated out there as though you're the oracle of God Himself and that we are all to simply take your word for it.
Face it, you're a troll. You don't make arguments because you are incapable of doing so. Nobody gives a rip about your posts because you have the substance of a wet piece of toilet paper. What in the world are you even doing here?
Don't answer that! I don't care.
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bibleverse2
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Note that it's not either/or, but both/and (Revelation 5:9-10).
Note that Romans 1:16 was written by Paul to show that there is no distinction between Jew and Greek with regard to our salvation from hell under the one and only Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Also, regarding your reference to:
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Note that this cannot mean that there are no Christians who are Jews or Gentiles in any sense, for Christians remain either genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Romans 16:4b). Similarly, Galatians 3:28 does not mean that there are no Christians who are males or females, for we are still males or females with regard to our genitals and with regard to other matters (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 1 Corinthians 14:34-37; 1 Corinthians 11:4-16; 1 Peter 3:7a).
So Galatians 3:28 can only mean that there is no distinction between Jewish and Gentile Christians, or between male and female Christians, with regard to them being "one in Christ" (Galatians 3:28b) in the sense of them being one body in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 4:4-6) without distinction with regard to their salvation (Romans 10:12; 1 Corinthians 12:13; 1 Peter 3:7b).
See also post #81 above.
Note that there is, but only with regard to chronology; i.e. the Gospel was preached to Jews before it was preached to Gentiles (Luke 24:46-47).