Texas deaths blamed on lethal green

[Gary K]

I don't think the Texas power grid is set up to import the 25,000 MW it needed.

There are a number of issues, so I am still looking forward to the report when it comes out.

Yeah it is. Texas has had weather like that for a long time. The homesteaders, trappers, buffalo hunters, etc... all reported that type of weather. Usually for shorter periods of time, but on occasion for as long as this. A whole lot of people have frozen to death in Texas for what the early settlers called 'norwesters. So Texans have known these kinds of weather events for 200+ years.

Under Biden the rules have changed. Texas has to beg the DOE for the permission to start up their emergency power capability as it takes time to fire up plants that are normally shut down because they have excess capacity to cover for these kinds of weather events. They asked the DOE ahead of time because they knew what was coming. The DOE denied them permission because of Biden's executive orders affecting power generation and the "greenhouse" gases. Both sides knew this was coming and the DOE denied them permission to get prepared for this emergency. I've posted the DOE order multiple times. Why have you just completely ignored it? Just can't believe the level of evil?

This entire fiasco was created as a way to punish Texas, and Texans, for not kowtowing to the election fraud and getting rid of their Dominion voting machines. This is typical behavior for socialist politicians/dictators. Check out Stalin's Holodomor where he starved millions of Ukrainians to death. Check out how Mao starved millions of his own countrymen to death. Check out Pol Pot and what he did to Cambodia. Check out what, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, what North Korea's first dictator did to his own people. Check out what Fidel did to his political enemies.

This is now here in the US. Nobody should be surprised by this. The socialist/terrorist group the Weather Underground was talking about killing 200,000,000 people that they couldn't "re-educate" back in the 1970s and early 80s. I've posted an interview with a former KGB officer who was involved in the propaganda machine the Soviets had in place in the US. He defected in the late 70s or early 80s and talked specifically as to how surprised the Soviets were with how successful they were at brainwashing people. He said when interviewed that the Soviets had indoctrinated enough generations into socialism that all they needed was one more generation to change and the US was done for. And it was around 30 years ago that the interview took place. So, we're not talking about dealing with rational people when we're talking about socialists in this country. We're talking to people who have been brainwashed completely. Bezmenov said once those people reach a certain level of programming that he could physically show them the truth and they would refuse to believe it. They would believe their programming instead.

That all American's are not like them is due to the mercy of God and the work of the Holy Spirit upon human hearts. God has preserved a people to Himself. The love of truth that God puts into our hearts makes us immune to the socialist's programming techniques. That's why they hate Christianity so much.

 

[Hilltrot]

Ok, it finally is becoming clear now what likely happened. Now, what I'm about to discuss is likely to fly right over the heads of the leftists on this forum who clutch tightly to their dogma and idols. However, conspiracy theorists aren't going to be happy either.

The problem starts on Monday morning. Ercot has to immediately starting controlled rotating power outages. Prices have risen, but only to $1200 per MWh.

At this point, PUCT, a three-man committee appointed by the Governor of Texas, decides the price isn't high enough, so they decide to jump the price to $9000 per MWh and they pin it there. This is literally price fixing but it is price fixing done by the Government of Texas - not by any private concern.

Upon seeing the new electricity generation pricing, Oncor and likely other power distribution companies with customers on fixed-rate schedule, pull the plug completely. No longer rotating the power outages, but shutting the power down completely. There is no way they can survive and buy at $9000 and sell at $50. This, I believe, caused a catastrophic failure in the market as it was impossible to correct because the Texas government had taken control of the pricing. As a result, in the worst part of the winter, power plants shut down instead of remaining open. Why? Because no one would buy at $9000. As I said, some power distribution companies didn't even bother to try to deliver power. This also explains why the power usage in Texas went so low and stayed low for several days - to about 40,000 MWh from about 65,000 MWh.

Imagine the government was able to price fix the prices at McDonalds and decided that McDonalds couldn't sell anything for less than $9000. How many McDonalds would stay open? The answer is zero. And that's I believe happened. Forcing the rate to $9000 per MWh actually had the opposite effect that PUCT expected it to have. Instead of increasing the amount of power being produced, the price fix actually decreased it.

The DOE directive was irrelevant, $9000 > $1500 means that all the plants were exempt from EPA rules anyway once PUCT took over. I see no reason to blame Biden. In addition, these EPA rules were in place during Trump, so . . .

This had nothing to do with a failure in free-markets - in fact, I believe the opposite is true. If the free-market was allowed to work rather than PUCT taking control of the market, the power would have come on sooner as electricity generators negotiated prices with distribution providers.

The only one to blame is the Republican Governor of Texas for the three people he appointed and government over-reach through price fixing. This is not the first winter storm Texas has had and it survived those just fine. As I have already pointed out, Texas is bigger than most nations and really has no need to "nationalize" anymore that England needs to be annexed by Russia. At the same time, blaming Biden is not the correct assumption either. This was a Texas problem caused by Texas government over-reach.

I reserve the right to change my opinion as more information comes to light, but I have enough evidence to be relatively certain this is the most likely reason and cause.

 

[Hilltrot]

Yeah it is.

No, it isn't.

Texas has had weather like that for a long time

And Texas has been able to generate its own power throughout that time period.

 

[annabenedetti]

In fact, a senior director at ERCOT now says that renewable-energy outages were the least important factor in the blackouts. And although wind energy underperformed ERCOT’s estimates on Monday, solar power actually overshot them. More important, the Texas grid collapsed because some 28,000 megawatts of coal, nuclear, and gas power went offline—about a third of ERCOT’s total capacity. ERCOT failed, because fossil fuels failed. And one fuel failed in particular: natural gas.

Texas Failed Because It Did Not Plan

What went wrong? The Lone Star State made three fundamental errors.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Hilltrot]

In fact, a senior director at ERCOT now says that renewable-energy outages were the least important factor in the blackouts. And although wind energy underperformed ERCOT’s estimates on Monday, solar power actually overshot them. More important, the Texas grid collapsed because some 28,000 megawatts of coal, nuclear, and gas power went offline—about a third of ERCOT’s total capacity. ERCOT failed, because fossil fuels failed. And one fuel failed in particular: natural gas.

Texas Failed Because It Did Not Plan

What went wrong? The Lone Star State made three fundamental errors.

www.theatlantic.com

annabenedetti <--------- clutches tightly to her/his/its dogma and idols

 

[Omniskeptical]

I wonder if coal, nuclear, gas failed due to the windmills.

 

[ok doser]

I wonder if coal, nuclear, gas failed due to the windmills.

I wonder why nobody's talking about all the other deaths in the other states that were suffering from this weather event. My niece lives in Missouri and lost power for 2 days. But the idiots who listen to the main stream media are only hearing about Texas. Could it be that Texas has some strategic political value to the leftist mainstream media?

 

[Gary K]

No, it isn't.

And Texas has been able to generate its own power throughout that time period.

DOE order February 14.

ERCOT requests that the Secretary issue an order immediately, effective February
14, 2021 through February 19, 2021, authorizing “the provision of additional energy from
all generation units subject to emissions or other permit limits” in the ERCOT region.
The generating units (Specified Resources) that this Order pertains to are listed on the
Order 202-21-1 Resources List, as described below.
Given the emergency nature of the expected load stress, the responsibility of
ERCOT to ensure maximum reliability on its system, and the ability of ERCOT to
identify and dispatch generation necessary to meet the additional load, I have determined
that additional dispatch of the Specified Resources is necessary to best meet the
emergency and serve the public interest for purposes of FPA section 202(c). Because the
additional generation may result in a conflict with environmental standards and
requirements, I am authorizing only the necessary additional generation, with reporting
requirements as described below.
FPA section 202(c)(2) requires the Secretary of Energy to ensure that any 202(c)
order that may result in a conflict with a requirement of any environmental law be limited
to the “hours necessary to meet the emergency and serve the public interest, and, to the
maximum extent practicable,” be consistent with any applicable environmental law and
minimize any adverse environmental impacts. ERCOT anticipates that this Order may
result in exceedance of emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury, and carbon
monoxide emissions, as well as wastewater release limits. To minimize adverse
environmental impacts, this Order limits operation of dispatched units to the times and
within the parameters determined by ERCOT for reliability purposes.

ERCOT is asking for permission to produce electricity. Why because they could not meet the demand under DOE rules. And the rules? Those rules were emissions, and other permit limits. ERCOT couldn't do what they needed to do as the DOE governs what they can and cannot do. And the permission granted them? Even in a major emergency the DOE would not relax environmental rules for a limited time.

The responsibility lies at the door of the federal government and their wacko "green" rules.

 

[Omniskeptical]

I wonder why nobody's talking about all the other deaths in the other states that were suffering from this weather event. My niece lives in Missouri and lost power for 2 days. But the idiots who listen to the main stream media are only hearing about Texas. Could it be that Texas has some strategic political value to the leftist mainstream media?

They are trying to turn in it blue.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I wonder why nobody's talking about all the other deaths in the other states that were suffering from this weather event. My niece lives in Missouri and lost power for 2 days. But the idiots who listen to the main stream media are only hearing about Texas. Could it be that Texas has some strategic political value to the leftist mainstream media?

As a Missourian, I was home when they said they may shut down the power to conserve energy. It never happened (thankfully), but it sure did get cold. Coldest winter storm I've experienced in the past few years, for sure.

[sarcasm]It's gotta be that global warmin' I've been hearin' 'bout![/sarcasm]

 

[ok doser]

As a Missourian, I was home when they said they may shut down the power to conserve energy. It never happened (thankfully), but it sure did get cold. Coldest winter storm I've experienced in the past few years, for sure.

[sarcasm]It's gotta be that global warmin' I've been hearin' 'bout![/sarcasm]

My sister in central Mississippi and my niece in KC had colder temps than I did, halfway between Toronto and Montreal. Crazy.

 

[Right Divider]

[sarcasm]It's gotta be that global warmin' I've been hearin' 'bout![/sarcasm]

[sarcasm]Dude! It's called "climate change" now![/sarcasm]

 

[Gary K]

I wonder if coal, nuclear, gas failed due to the windmills.

That's exactly what happened. Texas was not allowed to use their natural gas and coal fired plants due to "emissions". It wasn't the windmills though. It was the "green" rules enforced by the DOE.

This was nothing but a political attack on Texas. There's no doubt about it. I understand why people are so reluctant to accept it. It's flat out evil and no one wants to accept the fact that part of the US is pure evil. The facts are, though, that it is. We have an administration that is satanic.

 

[Hilltrot]

That's exactly what happened. Texas was not allowed to use their natural gas and coal fired plants due to "emissions". It wasn't the windmills though. It was the "green" rules enforced by the DOE.

This was nothing but a political attack on Texas. There's no doubt about it. I understand why people are so reluctant to accept it. It's flat out evil and no one wants to accept the fact that part of the US is pure evil. The facts are, though, that it is. We have an administration that is satanic.

What part of $9000 > $1500 do you not understand?

"with respect to any Specified Resource that is an ERCOT Generation Resource whose operator notifies ERCOT that the unit is offline or would need to go offline due to an emission or effluent limit in any federal environmental permit, and to which ERCOT has issued a Reliability Unit Commitment (RUC) instruction, the operator may make all of the unit’s capacity available to ERCOT for dispatch during a period for which ERCOT has declared an EEA Level 2 or Level 3. This incremental amount of restricted capacity would be offered at a price no lower than $1,500/MWh. Once ERCOT declares that such an EEA Level 2 or Level 3 event has ended, the unit is required to immediately return to operating at a level below the higher of its minimum operating level or the maximum output allowable under the permitted limit."

Generators were allowed to operate under this energy order. PUCT pinned the price at $9000. At best, you can try to blame the initial power outage on DOE - not the extended power outage which lasted for days.

I'm still undecided on what caused the initial power outage, however I doubt it was DOE and there is no evidence it was Biden. I think blaming a type of energy is also silly. Winterization could be a cause, but that wouldn't explain why the power didn't come back on the following day. Or the day after that, or the day after that, or . . . What I do know is that as soon as PUCT stopped pinning the price at $9000, everyone's power came on.

I would say wait for the investigation, but guess who's doing the "primary" investigation - PUCT.

 

[Omniskeptical]

What part of $9000 > $1500 do you not understand?

"with respect to any Specified Resource that is an ERCOT Generation Resource whose operator notifies ERCOT that the unit is offline or would need to go offline due to an emission or effluent limit in any federal environmental permit, and to which ERCOT has issued a Reliability Unit Commitment (RUC) instruction, the operator may make all of the unit’s capacity available to ERCOT for dispatch during a period for which ERCOT has declared an EEA Level 2 or Level 3. This incremental amount of restricted capacity would be offered at a price no lower than $1,500/MWh. Once ERCOT declares that such an EEA Level 2 or Level 3 event has ended, the unit is required to immediately return to operating at a level below the higher of its minimum operating level or the maximum output allowable under the permitted limit."

Generators were allowed to operate under this energy order. PUCT pinned the price at $9000. At best, you can try to blame the initial power outage on DOE - not the extended power outage which lasted for days.

I'm still undecided on what caused the initial power outage, however I doubt it was DOE and there is no evidence it was Biden. I think blaming a type of energy is also silly. Winterization could be a cause, but that wouldn't explain why the power didn't come back on the following day. Or the day after that, or the day after that, or . . . What I do know is that as soon as PUCT stopped pinning the price at $9000, everyone's power came on.

I would say wait for the investigation, but guess who's doing the "primary" investigation - PUCT.

Snapped powerlines come with ice storms. There were plenty of failures on the grid to be sure.

 

[annabenedetti]

InfoWars pushes conspiracy that Biden cut power to Texas​

As millions of Texans were battling a severe winter weather crisis without steady electricity, heat, and running water, InfoWars, the American far-right website run by Alex Jones, floated another conspiracy theory.

It said that president Joe Biden blocked Texas from increasing power ahead of the severe winter storm, a claim that has since been comprehensively debunked by fact-checkers.

Published on 20 February, InfoWars’ article is headlined: “Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Killer Storm.” It is still live on the site and has also been republished by the website Your News, with both versions being shared widely on Facebook and other social media.

“An Emergency Order from the Biden administration’s Department of Energy shows Texas energy grid operator ERCOT ( Electric Reliability Council of Texas) was instructed to stay within green energy standards by purchasing energy from outside the state at a higher cost, throttling power output throughout the state ahead of a catastrophic polar vortex,” the story read.

Debunking the claim, PolitiFact reported that the US Department of Energy had in fact approved their request to allow power plants in the snowstorm-battered state to temporarily bypass some environmental limits during the energy crisis, in order to produce more power.

As freezing temperatures hit the state, ERCOT, a body created to oversee the state’s power grid beyond the reach of federal regulators, reported that about 34 gigawatts of power were offline due to frozen instruments at natural gas and coal plants.

Before the outage, ERCOT wrote in a letter to acting energy secretary David Huizenga asking the government to allow Texas power plants to exceed federal emission limits until 19 February so that they could operate at maximum capacity.

In the letter sent on 14 February, ERCOT president Bill Magness wrote that “the loss of power to homes and local businesses in the areas affected by curtailments presents a far greater risk to public health and safety than the temporary exceedances of those permit limits that would be allowed under the requested order.”

The Energy Department issued an emergency order granting ERCOT’s request the same day. “Given the emergency nature of the expected load stress… I have determined that additional dispatch of the Specified Resources is necessary to best meet the emergency and serve the public interest,” Mr Huizenga wrote.

Biden did not block Texas from increasing power

As millions of Texans regained power after a severe winter storm brought snow, ice and freezing temperatures, some consp

www.politifact.com

 

[Hilltrot]

InfoWars pushes conspiracy that Biden cut power to Texas​

As millions of Texans were battling a severe winter weather crisis without steady electricity, heat, and running water, InfoWars, the American far-right website run by Alex Jones, floated another conspiracy theory.

It said that president Joe Biden blocked Texas from increasing power ahead of the severe winter storm, a claim that has since been comprehensively debunked by fact-checkers.

Published on 20 February, InfoWars’ article is headlined: “Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Killer Storm.” It is still live on the site and has also been republished by the website Your News, with both versions being shared widely on Facebook and other social media.

“An Emergency Order from the Biden administration’s Department of Energy shows Texas energy grid operator ERCOT ( Electric Reliability Council of Texas) was instructed to stay within green energy standards by purchasing energy from outside the state at a higher cost, throttling power output throughout the state ahead of a catastrophic polar vortex,” the story read.

Debunking the claim, PolitiFact reported that the US Department of Energy had in fact approved their request to allow power plants in the snowstorm-battered state to temporarily bypass some environmental limits during the energy crisis, in order to produce more power.

As freezing temperatures hit the state, ERCOT, a body created to oversee the state’s power grid beyond the reach of federal regulators, reported that about 34 gigawatts of power were offline due to frozen instruments at natural gas and coal plants.

Before the outage, ERCOT wrote in a letter to acting energy secretary David Huizenga asking the government to allow Texas power plants to exceed federal emission limits until 19 February so that they could operate at maximum capacity.

In the letter sent on 14 February, ERCOT president Bill Magness wrote that “the loss of power to homes and local businesses in the areas affected by curtailments presents a far greater risk to public health and safety than the temporary exceedances of those permit limits that would be allowed under the requested order.”

The Energy Department issued an emergency order granting ERCOT’s request the same day. “Given the emergency nature of the expected load stress… I have determined that additional dispatch of the Specified Resources is necessary to best meet the emergency and serve the public interest,” Mr Huizenga wrote.

Biden did not block Texas from increasing power

As millions of Texans regained power after a severe winter storm brought snow, ice and freezing temperatures, some consp

www.politifact.com

Are you able to think for yourself?

 

[Hilltrot]

Snapped powerlines come with ice storms. There were plenty of failures on the grid to be sure.

No ones lasting for days.

 

[annabenedetti]

Are you able to think for yourself?

Oh sweetheart, you don't have to read it, or read anything at all. You know that, right?

 

[Hilltrot]

Oh sweetheart, you don't have to read it, or read anything at all. You know that, right?

I'm smart enough to read it in half a second and know that you either didn't read it or are functionally illiterate. Or maybe you're just evil? You worship the prince of lies?

Regardless, what I said flew so far over your leftist head you can't even comprehend that you can't comprehend.

Someone who thinks for themselves doesn't need to quote the Alex Jones of the left - PolitiFact. They can reason and explain for themselves. You have shown no ability to reason for yourself. You are a "ditto-head" at best. At least I hope you are. You could just be evil.