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You claim to be a Calvinist. You sin for doing that.
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You claim to be a Calvinist. You sin for doing that.
Nang
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Whatever makes you happy to think . . . :down:
glorydaz
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:chuckle:
glorydaz
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The GOSPEL is the power of God unto salvation.... thus we believe unto righteousness.....by grace through faith. :thumb:
Nang
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So your tapping into the Gospel powers, by the instrument of your human beliefs, gained you righteousness?
You think it is your exertion of power of faith, that earned the grace of God?
You have got it all wrong, kiddo . . .
God's Truth
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You can't obey anyone for anything?
Do you need a special enabling to obey your boss, or the law?
glorydaz
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No, I actually believe that the Gospel has the power to convince (persuade) man, just as God's words persuaded Abraham to believe, and it was accounted to him as righteousness. It's called faith which comes from hearing the Gospel preached.
Romans 4:21-25 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
I don't have to exert any power to see and believe it's raining outside. The rain speaks for itself. It's much harder to resist.....oh no, I'm not wet and shivering.
Great post glory, completely destroying NangNo, I actually believe that the Gospel has the power to convince (persuade) man, just as God's words persuaded Abraham to believe, and it was accounted to him as righteousness. It's called faith which comes from hearing the Gospel preached.
Romans 4:21-25 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
I don't have to exert any power to see and believe it's raining outside. The rain speaks for itself. It's much harder to resist.....oh no, I'm not wet and shivering.
Nang
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Obedience and faith are distinct.
Faith produces obedience.
Obedience does not produce faith.
Why?
Saving faith comes only by the grace of God. It is the spiritual gift from Him that manifests in human obeisance and good works.
Such human goodness never achieves the spiritual. It is ONLY through the spiritual resurrection powers of God that such evidence of regeneration and salvation prove to be legitimate and saving to the soul.
God's Truth
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Jesus says if someone does not believe, they can obey and then they will believe. See John 7:17. So you are wrong no matter how you try to spin it.
Nang
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No, I actually believe that the Gospel has the power to convince (persuade) man, just as God's words persuaded Abraham to believe, and it was accounted to him as righteousness. It's called faith which comes from hearing the Gospel preached.
Romans 4:21-25 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
I don't have to exert any power to see and believe it's raining outside. The rain speaks for itself. It's much harder to resist.....oh no, I'm not wet and shivering.
You have omitted the necessary work of the Holy Spirit in your superstitious evaluation of Gospel power.
Why do some hear the Gospel and trust unto salvation, but others hear the same message, but remain in their unbelief and sins? Why does the Gospel preached fail to save all?
Nang
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Nothing of the sort is taught in John 7:17.
Nang
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Why do you seek to destroy Nang?
God's Truth
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Mere denial means nothing. You explain then what that scripture means.
Play on words, sports talk. Your theology doesn't stand up to what God actually tells us. Read her post again.
Because not all people believe, they choose not to.
Nang
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Truster is correct regarding the condition of your heart and soul . . .
Nang
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Then you believe the power of the human will exceeds the power of God to save. Got it . . .:down:
See what did there? You evil shrew