Soul Sleep?

[Lazy afternoon]

Anybody here believe in "Soul sleep" when a person dies?

Are they conscience or brain dead.​

The dead are unconscious and brain dead.

What about the great gulf that separates the paradise of the redeemed from hell of the lost. The rich man and Lazurus do not seem to be soul sleeping.

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The parable does not speak of the raising of the dead of the general population for the last judgment, but of those who withheld the goodness of the covenant greedily from those who were outside of it.

A particularly wicked thing to do.

Punishment after judgment, before annihilation of the wicked, is scriptural.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

LA

 

[tetelestai]

But we do believe that the moment we die, it's as if we immediately awake at the Rapture.

Um.....that's what soul sleep is.

 

[tetelestai]

Whether or not we sleep for hundreds or thousands of years in death, we are "immediately" present with the LORD.

When the Apostle Paul died over 1,900 years ago, was he "immediately" present with the Lord, or is that still a future event?

 

[tetelestai]

Bullinger invented "soul sleep" because Hyper-Dispensationalism doesn't work without it.

Hyper-Dispensationalism can't have "body believers" going to the same place as "kingdom believers" after physical death.

"Soul Sleep" is yet another reason why the two gospel/two people theory that Hyper-Dispensationalism perpetuates, is a load of rubbish.

 

[Zeke]

The tribulation(seventieth week of Dan 9) concerns Israel, not the BOC.
BOC believers are resurrected pre-trib, since they are not Israel.

BOC believers are awaiting the resurrection of the body which is not presently saved.

The 'I' is presently saved and goes to be in the Lord's presence at the physical death of the body.
Man is a mind/body dichotomous being. 'I' am not my body.My physical body is a dwelling/tent/tabernacle for the 'I' which is me.

Yet the fact that the kingdom in conflict in Dan/Rev being referred to is a spiritual one within us, via Jesus's remarks in Luke 17:20-21 and like Jacob, a type of inward wrestling that we all go through, and the same story as Romans seven, along with Serpent and Eve Cain and Able, etc.....and it is all about the two natures being born of flesh, a temple, and temporal host of the Divine seed/treasure hidden in the field, that lies dormant in flesh until it is kissed within by the Divine love from above.

The only divide in scripture is the same yesterday,today, and future tense as stated in 2Cor 3:6, The theatrics brought to life by exoteric focused religions perverting and presenting dramatized, allegory and symbology (Galatians 4:24-26) has literal history is a path well traveled by most generations taking the same jaunt around in circles produced by the same morphing dogmas retooled for the next generation.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Anybody here believe in "Soul sleep" when a person dies?

Are they conscience or brain dead.

What about the great gulf that separates the paradise of the redeemed from hell of the lost. The rich man and Lazurus do not seem to be soul sleeping.​

I do not find warrant in Scripture for psychopannychia (soul sleep).

Concerning all who die prior to Christ's return, the Bible teaches that at the moment of death the human spirit (soul) departs its body to one of two possible destinations: Heaven or Hades (Luke 16:19-31; Phil. 1:19-26; James 2:26; Rev. 6:9, 20:4). Those who reach Heaven do so based not upon their own good works, but upon the work of Christ in their behalf—His righteous life and atoning death—and upon their God-given faith in Him (Mark 10: 45; John 1:12, 3:16; Rom. 3:21; Eph. 2:8-10).

The saints in Heaven (Abraham’s bosom)—fully aware of their surroundings and delighted by its manifold blessings per their walk of faith (Heb. 12:22-24)—eagerly await their Lord's return at the end of the age, when Our Lord will consummate their redemption by raising them from the dead with new, glorified, resurrection bodies just as He now possesses, and by creating for them a glorious new world in which they will forever live together with Him (Luke 20:27-40, John 5:28, 1 Cor. 15, Phil. 3:20-21; 2 Pet. 3:13).

Those who enter Hades (Sheol in Hebrew) do so based upon their own evil works, especially upon the evil work of suppressing the truth that God made known to them through nature, the Law, and the Gospel, the Gospel being God's only provision for the forgiveness of sin and the acquisition of eternal life (John 3:19,36: John 5:29; Acts 13:46, Rom. 2:8; 2 Thess. 1:8; Rev. 20:12).

In Hades the lost are in the torments of eternal punishment, deprived of God's every life-giving blessing, conscious of God's abiding wrath, and subject to the positive pains of divine retribution all according to their particular sins. Also, to the extent that they may be aware of it, the lost are tormented in this intermediate state of prison by anticipation of the Resurrection and the Day of Judgment, when Christ will send them—body and soul—into Gehenna (Hell), the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Mt. 8:29, Mt. 10:28, 25: 41; Mark 9:48, Luke 16:19-31; 2 Thess. 1:9; Rev. 20:14) where they will remain forever afterwards suffering unending punishment.

AMR

 

[Psalmist]

Anybody here believe in "Soul sleep" when a person dies?

Are they conscience or brain dead.

What about the great gulf that separates the paradise of the redeemed from hell of the lost. The rich man and Lazarus do not seem to be soul sleeping.​

No, I do not believe in soul sleep.​

 

[Zeke]

Yet the term when one dies is concerning the soul/divine seed when it is imprisoned in flesh, a divine metaphor about the state/ignorance of the conscience not physical. The inner kingdom Luke 17:20-21 Galatians 4:24 deals with two aspect of conscience development, not two historic individuals. The reason Jesus said let the dead bury the dead was in regards to this state of ones conscience while living in this temporal kingdom/matrix until Galatians 4:26 is experienced within and the prodigal who was dead/sleep is now reborn within Luke 15:35.

 

[Psalmist]

I do not find warrant in Scripture for psychopannychia (soul sleep).

Concerning all who die prior to Christ's return, the Bible teaches that at the moment of death the human spirit (soul) departs its body to one of two possible destinations: Heaven or Hades (Luke 16:19-31; Phil. 1:19-26; James 2:26; Rev. 6:9, 20:4). Those who reach Heaven do so based not upon their own good works, but upon the work of Christ in their behalf—His righteous life and atoning death—and upon their God-given faith in Him (Mark 10: 45; John 1:12, 3:16; Rom. 3:21; Eph. 2:8-10).

The saints in Heaven (Abraham’s bosom)—fully aware of their surroundings and delighted by its manifold blessings per their walk of faith (Heb. 12:22-24)—eagerly await their Lord's return at the end of the age, when Our Lord will consummate their redemption by raising them from the dead with new, glorified, resurrection bodies just as He now possesses, and by creating for them a glorious new world in which they will forever live together with Him (Luke 20:27-40, John 5:28, 1 Cor. 15, Phil. 3:20-21; 2 Pet. 3:13).

Those who enter Hades (Sheol in Hebrew) do so based upon their own evil works, especially upon the evil work of suppressing the truth that God made known to them through nature, the Law, and the Gospel, the Gospel being God's only provision for the forgiveness of sin and the acquisition of eternal life (John 3:19,36: John 5:29; Acts 13:46, Rom. 2:8; 2 Thess. 1:8; Rev. 20:12).

In Hades the lost are in the torments of eternal punishment, deprived of God's every life-giving blessing, conscious of God's abiding wrath, and subject to the positive pains of divine retribution all according to their particular sins. Also, to the extent that they may be aware of it, the lost are tormented in this intermediate state of prison by anticipation of the Resurrection and the Day of Judgment, when Christ will send them—body and soul—into Gehenna (Hell), the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Mt. 8:29, Mt. 10:28, 25: 41; Mark 9:48, Luke 16:19-31; 2 Thess. 1:9; Rev. 20:14) where they will remain forever afterwards suffering unending punishment.

AMR

I didn't either.​

 

[God's Truth]

Anyone who believes in soul sleep should explain how Jesus filled the whole universe if people who died no longer live in their spirit. How did Jesus die for those who lived and died before Jesus came to earth?

 

[Zeke]

I do not find warrant in Scripture for psychopannychia (soul sleep).

Concerning all who die prior to Christ's return, the Bible teaches that at the moment of death the human spirit (soul) departs its body to one of two possible destinations: Heaven or Hades (Luke 16:19-31; Phil. 1:19-26; James 2:26; Rev. 6:9, 20:4). Those who reach Heaven do so based not upon their own good works, but upon the work of Christ in their behalf—His righteous life and atoning death—and upon their God-given faith in Him (Mark 10: 45; John 1:12, 3:16; Rom. 3:21; Eph. 2:8-10).

The saints in Heaven (Abraham’s bosom)—fully aware of their surroundings and delighted by its manifold blessings per their walk of faith (Heb. 12:22-24)—eagerly await their Lord's return at the end of the age, when Our Lord will consummate their redemption by raising them from the dead with new, glorified, resurrection bodies just as He now possesses, and by creating for them a glorious new world in which they will forever live together with Him (Luke 20:27-40, John 5:28, 1 Cor. 15, Phil. 3:20-21; 2 Pet. 3:13).

Those who enter Hades (Sheol in Hebrew) do so based upon their own evil works, especially upon the evil work of suppressing the truth that God made known to them through nature, the Law, and the Gospel, the Gospel being God's only provision for the forgiveness of sin and the acquisition of eternal life (John 3:19,36: John 5:29; Acts 13:46, Rom. 2:8; 2 Thess. 1:8; Rev. 20:12).

In Hades the lost are in the torments of eternal punishment, deprived of God's every life-giving blessing, conscious of God's abiding wrath, and subject to the positive pains of divine retribution all according to their particular sins. Also, to the extent that they may be aware of it, the lost are tormented in this intermediate state of prison by anticipation of the Resurrection and the Day of Judgment, when Christ will send them—body and soul—into Gehenna (Hell), the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Mt. 8:29, Mt. 10:28, 25: 41; Mark 9:48, Luke 16:19-31; 2 Thess. 1:9; Rev. 20:14) where they will remain forever afterwards suffering unending punishment.

AMR

Yet the letter killeth 2Cor 3:6, the spirit gives life which Jesus represented in man that is asleep in ignorance until awakened, born again within, and not observational by the natural mans sight Luke 17:20-21 yet religion and theology tries to make two individuals of history that was observable and among man in flesh instead of the inward intent of the scripture that was never meant to be taken literal or historical.

 

[Bright Raven]

Nope! Not even.

 

[Zeke]

Yep it was, Galatians 4:24.

 

[Cons&Spires]

If something as simple as 'soul sleep' were ever theologically applicable, there wouldn't have been so much having to deduce and work around the issues surrounding what happens with the soul immediately after death in the first place.

"Soul sleep' is not only heretical, it is a rank lazy notion.

 

[Zeke]

Soul sleep, symbolic/allegorical, pertaining to the Divine seed that falls to the ground and dies, a dramatized story through scripture that was corrupted by Rome and their blood pagan sacrifice that was a inward story not a literal historic event concerning God kingdom within man Luke 17:20-21 Genesis 32:30, the third eye/peniel gland is the light receptor of the Divine light..

The skull/ Galgotha is where the events takes place in man, not on some literal hill in IS-RA-EL .

 

[Lazy afternoon]

If something as simple as 'soul sleep' were ever theologically applicable, there wouldn't have been so much having to deduce and work around the issues surrounding what happens with the soul immediately after death in the first place.

"Soul sleep' is not only heretical, it is a rank lazy notion.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

LA

 

[God's Truth]

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

LA

Those scriptures are about those who died physically. How do you ever get it means we do not have spirits that live on in consciousness?

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Those scriptures are about those who died physically. How do you ever get it means we do not have spirits that live on in consciousness?

You claim Jesus Spirit was only that of God the Father,

yet you claim all other men have a spirit which lives on after death with full consciousness which only a living soul can have.

Thus you say Jesus is not a man like all men, which negates His sacrifice, in fulfilling Gods law.

You also claim immortality for the human spirit which it does not possess until Christ raises men from the dead to meet Him in the air.

If they are alive before the resurrection then they would have met Christ before He returns to give them immortality.

LA

 

[OCTOBER23]

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Huh , what did I miss ????

 

[God's Truth]

You claim Jesus Spirit was only that of God the Father,

How is it you can say "only" ?

yet you claim all other men have a spirit which lives on after death with full consciousness which only a living soul can have.

Our spirits make our bodies living souls.

Thus you say Jesus is not a man like all men, which negates His sacrifice, in fulfilling Gods law.

Jesus is not a man like all men. Jesus does not have a biological earthly father. She came from heaven. Jesus is sinless. Jesus is God come in the flesh as a Son of Man.

You also claim immortality for the human spirit which it does not possess until Christ raises men from the dead to meet Him in the air.

When Jesus comes and raises us up from the dead that is when he gives us new immortal bodies. Our spirits are with him now in heaven, and will go to heaven to be with him when our physical bodies die.

If they are alive before the resurrection then they would have met Christ before He returns to give them immortality.

LA

Jesus brings the spirits of those who have died with him when he comes, and then he gives them new bodies.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.