So guys, what's it like living in a boring echo chamber nowadays?

ok doser

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Usually, when people use the shtick you just resorted to on account of your poverty of wit and creativity, they word it something like "You must be fun at parties!" Did you imagine you could hide your glaring lack of originality by dressing it in clunky, superfluous verbiage? I mean, for example, the phrase "any given party" -- you could've just said "a party"!🤣
A Given party?

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Oh I get it. It's a racist thing.
 

Ps82

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Fox News began a fair and balanced approach ... and that worked for me for awhile ... but more lately I just want to hear my side of things. Can't stand to listen to the misleading, perhaps twisted truth, as it is whined from the Left. I'm still a Right Winger.
 

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Fox News began a fair and balanced approach ... and that worked for me for awhile ... but more lately I just want to hear my side of things. Can't stand to listen to the misleading, perhaps twisted truth, as it is whined from the Left. I'm still a Right Winger.
So. what is your source for news?
 

Ps82

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So. what is your source for news?
Newsmax, podcasts on my Iphone -especially the one with Ted Cruz, Endtime Ministries, Truth Social, Wall Builders, Still will watch Fox at times, Glenn Beck. Also ... I like to listen to some of the young guys on the radio ... Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, Hugh Hewitt, Mike Gallagher. Did listen to Dan Bongino... You get the point - Just a whole bunch of conservatives. I'm definitely a conservative only person.
 

Ps82

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That's not news, it's a bubble of reinforcement.

Step outside it and you may be amazed to look back with different eyes at what you once believed was true.
Oh, I step outside, but it always makes me feel very disappointed in humanity/sick. Especially when I hear from The Party which champions abortion, and other sins. Saying that evil things which are made legal are good because they made it so. Therefore, being people who call good evil and evil good.

As a believer what do you have to say about the agenda of the liberal/left/Democrats when it comes to God's will?
 

annabenedetti

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Oh, I step outside, but it always makes me feel very disappointed in humanity/sick.

Just find some news sources that aren't right-wing. I'm speaking from my own experience, but maybe my experience might be a little bit interesting if you knew I was once a right-winger myself. It's all I knew. It's how I grew up, it's what I carried into adulthood. Not questioning, just accepting. Over a span of about 3 years (after being at TOL, ironically) I came to see that so much of what I had thought to be true was actually based on distorted information, conspiracy theories and fundamentalism (Catholic and evangelical) carried over into politics where it didn't belong. I was a registered Republican, voting a straight ticket, for 32 years. I've been an independent for 13 years, belonging to no party.

Especially when I hear from The Party which champions abortion, and other sins. Saying that evil things which are made legal are good because they made it so. Therefore, being people who call good evil and evil good.

As a believer what do you have to say about the agenda of the liberal/left/Democrats when it comes to God's will?

I had no problem voting for Democrats once I understood the principle of double effect. You can look that up if you're interested.

I believe in a strict separation of church and state. While that exact phrase isn't in the Constitution, this one is:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

People are free in this country to believe as they wish, and their right to their own belief or non-belief shall not be infringed upon. I realize Dominionists want the opposite of that, but that would be unconstitutional, wouldn't it?
 
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Ps82

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Just find some news sources that aren't right-wing. I'm speaking from my own experience, but maybe my experience might be a little bit interesting if you knew I was once a right-winger myself. It's all I knew. It's how I grew up, it's what I carried into adulthood. Not questioning, just accepting. Over a span of about 3 years (after being at TOL, ironically) I came to see that so much of what I had thought to be true was actually based on distorted information, conspiracy theories and fundamentalism (Catholic and evangelical) carried over into politics where it didn't belong. I was a registered Republican, voting a straight ticket, for 32 years. I've been an independent for 13 years, belonging to no party.



I had no problem voting for Democrats once I understood the principle of double effect. You can look that up if you're interested.

I believe in a strict separation of church and state. While that exact phrase isn't in the Constitution, this one is:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

People are free in this country to believe as they wish, and their right to their own belief or non-belief shall not be infringed upon. I realize Dominionists want the opposite of that, but that would be unconstitutional, wouldn't it?
Voting against a Party which champions murder, it members take up for criminals and terrorists, a Party that encourages sexual perversions, is not a religion. Now, I think they are wrong because I am a religious person and follow Christ's teaching to the best of my ability... I believe followers are to be like a light on a hill ... IOW make a difference in this world ...

Not just sit back and think: If the worldly want to kill their babies, engage in sexual perversions and lewd performances to entertain my children I will just stay out of things... I don't care. I wouldn't do it but I won't interfere with their desires ...

Well, I think that would be the ideas of an elitist. I'm better than them and I don't care what effect they are having on our society. I'm safe and saved. Sigh.

We have been allowed to have a Democratic Republic so that our people can make a difference in society and hopefully for the better whether a person is a follower or an atheist ... That is not starting a national religion.

I know you must mean well to advise me how your thoughts were changed ... so it is nice to talk with you ... but we are going to be in disagreement in this matter.

I compare good and evil to what my God says ... and since I believe I would like him to be for our country instead of looking around and seeing what is evil in his eyes. I am not starting a religion ... but I am a citizen following my heart ... which is guided by my Savior. Not by the world no matter how powerful they are.

See you around on other issues involving our faith in Christ.
 

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

This was made within the context of Christianity as a whole.

It was intended to prevent one denomination of Christianity from being established as the nation's religion.

It was not intended to prohibit Christianity from being in the government.

Christianity is the shared theological framework that allowed the US to flourish. The answer "a constitutional republic, if you can keep it," was within that framework.

Without that societal glue to hold things together, the nation will fall apart.

Atheism, and other cultural values, if they do not submit to that framework, act to dissolve that glue, because they are either do not have the same theological framework, or seeks to remove it entirely and replace it with nothing.
 

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Just find some news sources that aren't right-wing. I'm speaking from my own experience, but maybe my experience might be a little bit interesting if you knew I was once a right-winger myself. It's all I knew. It's how I grew up, it's what I carried into adulthood. Not questioning, just accepting.
That's probably what you are still doing, it's just that you finally heard from the other side, as many Christian kids do when they grow up and are exposed to different viewpoints for the first time...and they leave the faith of their fathers, because it was never their own (never believed, just accepted because the authority in their lives gave it as The Truth).
Over a span of about 3 years (after being at TOL, ironically)
I'm not so sure that is as ironic as you make it out to be.
I came to see that so much of what I had thought to be true was actually based on distorted information, conspiracy theories and fundamentalism (Catholic and evangelical) carried over into politics where it didn't belong.
What people believe about the world around them cannot but be carried over into politics. That's why we must question everything to come to a full faith experience. Same for politics.
I was a registered Republican, voting a straight ticket, for 32 years.
That's like many of us, but usually because of lack of better choices, not worse. Did you think, for 32 years, that the Republicans you voted for, straight ticket, were righteous and honest?
I've been an independent for 13 years, belonging to no party.



I had no problem voting for Democrats once I understood the principle of double effect. You can look that up if you're interested.
Could you flesh this out in your own voting choices for us? From what I understand about the principle of double effect, it wouldn't allow voting for someone who proposes to kill children to make life easier or to progress in your vocation, which is what Democrats have proposed for quite a number of years in their party platform.
I believe in a strict separation of church and state. While that exact phrase isn't in the Constitution, this one is:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
No, it isn't. There isn't a period there, and for good reason.
People are free in this country to believe as they wish, and their right to their own belief or non-belief shall not be infringed upon.
And you think the Democrats you have vited for are not infringing on a baby's right to his own belief when they allow the killing of one for convenience's sake?
I realize Dominionists want the opposite of that, but that would be unconstitutional, wouldn't it?
You should probably help us understand who you think "Dominionists" are, since ut isn't a term that has already entered the conversation at any point.
 

annabenedetti

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I know you must mean well to advise me how your thoughts were changed ... so it is nice to talk with you ... but we are going to be in disagreement in this matter.

I compare good and evil to what my God says ... and since I believe I would like him to be for our country instead of looking around and seeing what is evil in his eyes. I am not starting a religion ... but I am a citizen following my heart ... which is guided by my Savior. Not by the world no matter how powerful they are.

See you around on other issues involving our faith in Christ.

I know you mean well, I just think you're unaware that when you make sure that all your news sources agree with you, it's all but impossible to recognize propaganda for what it is. I'm well aware we're in disagreement, but I'm not trying to change your mind. Just maybe be a citizen following your head as much as your heart, and allow your head a chance to hear better information.
 
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