sin/sins is not the issue today!

[OZOS]

There is only one gospel. Paul taught what Jesus and the other apostles taught.

Impossible. You cannot teach what you do not know. They were preaching a gospel BEFORE Jesus had even mentioned His death and resurrection, and when He did mention it, they had no clue what He was talking about. Not to mention they had no idea that He would die for our sins (the gospel Paul preached). Apparently, you have no idea also, because you still think that we repent from sins to be saved, rather than believe the gospel to be saved.

 

[JudgeRightly]

To repent is about being sorry for your sins and having the desire to stop all of them.

So God sinned by making man?

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. - Genesis 6:6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis6:6&version=KJV

How do you say something so evil? God is the One who says repent of sins to be saved.

Jeremiah 8:6 I have listened attentively, but they do not say what is right. None of them repent of their wickedness, saying, “What have I done?” Each pursues their own course like a horse charging into battle.

Ezekiel 18:30 “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall.

Neither of those verses say that repentance will result in salvation.

And on top of that, repentance was required by, you guessed it, THE LAW!

Law is not grace.

“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” -2 Chronicles 7:14

Why are you ignoring the context of that verse. It has nothing to do with being saved from one's sins and being granted eternal life:

When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people,if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:13-14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Chronicles7:13-14&version=NKJV

And did you notice the part where God defines EXACTLY who He's talking about doing this for?

"if My people who are CALLED BY MY NAME"

"El" is one of God's names.
Isra-EL

"The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" is another of God's names.
God put part of His name in Abram's name, the "H" sound, from YHWH, changing it to AbrAHam, and renamed Jacob to IsraEL.

What is God saving them from?

"When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people"

What is that a result of?

Their sin.

God is NOT saying He will forgive ALL of their sins, only the sin that led Him to do the above, to shut up heaven, to send locusts, or to send pestilences, because God is MERCIFUL to those who are sorry for breaking HIS... what? HIS LAW!

Again, LAW is not GRACE.

...and many more.

Again, NONE of the verses in your post say what you want it to say.

How can you EVER say that it is Satan who wants you to repent of sins?!

Not what Sozo said.

God is the one who tells us to repent of our sins.

Not to be saved, He doesn't.

 

[God's Truth]

Cannot God put on hold a specific program for a specific group of people, and start up another one in the meantime?

That would make Jesus divided. The Bible says he is not.

1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

 

[Right Divider]

That would make Jesus divided. The Bible says he is not.

1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

This "Jesus divided" nonsense is only in your mind.

Having two plans does NOT make "Jesus divided".

 

[God's Truth]

Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
OZOS

Read this it tells how we have to be sorry for our sins and repent of those sins.

2 Corinthians 7:9
9 yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because
your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us.

This has nothing to do with "sins". There is nothing about "sins" in the context. You are triggered by the word "repentance",

Repentance is of sins.

I have given many scriptures to you proving that we are to repent of sins.

God repented. God cannot sin.

Humans have to repent of sins, not God!

Talking to believers about their behavior. Nothing about "repenting from sins" for salvation.

Read it again more carefully:

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “the Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”[/QUOTE]

If you say at ANY TIME that Jesus is your Lord, you must have every intention of stopping your sin, you must repent of those sins which mean be sorry for those sins.

Luke 6:46 Why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' but not do what I say?

Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Romans 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the Law who will be declared righteous.


So if you consider the scriptures carefully, you will be able to see that if you say Jesus is your Lord, or say Jesus you are my Lord---you had better be doing what he says which means obey him.

Jesus says repent and that is about sins. Obey Jesus’ commands, and in his commands there are no sins.

I won't take the time to fully exegete this verse for you now, though I would love to in the future, but "confession of sins" (agreeing with God) is not "repentance from sins".

It is not something to be fought, just believe and do what the scripture says, it is about confess and repenting of sins to be saved.

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” - 1 John 1:9

A dead work is doing something to get something you can never achieve by doing something.

A dead work is sin.

The Jews (Hebrews) had tried to please God through obedience to the Law (dead work),

Where do you get that obeying the law was dead work?
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

rather than by faith.

Read the scripture again it says the foundation (the way to get saved) is by repenting of sins and faith.
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

They repented and turned to Christ by faith.

They had to repent of their sins and have faith that Jesus’ blood washed away their sins instead of the blood of animals.

The author is telling them not to go there again.

It means you should know that by now.

They had already repented from their dead works (keeping the Law)

Keeping the law is not dead works.

 

[God's Truth]

Impossible. You cannot teach what you do not know. They were preaching a gospel BEFORE Jesus had even mentioned His death and resurrection,

They preached to BELIEVE, have FAITH in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus spent much time TEACHING what it is we are to obey.

and when He did mention it, they had no clue what He was talking about. Not to mention they had no idea that He would die for our sins (the gospel Paul preached). Apparently, you have no idea also, because you still think that we repent from sins to be saved, rather than believe the gospel to be saved.

We have to believe that we have to obey this man called Jesus the Son of God.

Jesus taught that he would die and rise again.

Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

...and many more.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus taught that he would die and rise again.

Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

...and many more.

Luk 18:31-34 KJV Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. (32) For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: (33) And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. (34) And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

They had been preaching the gospel of the kingdom for a very long time and YET did NOT even understand that Jesus would die.

Scripture actually says that THREE different ways in ONE verse and yet you ignore it and reject it.

 

[God's Truth]

Impossible. You cannot teach what you do not know.

They preached to have faith in Jesus who forgives sins.

They were preaching a gospel BEFORE Jesus had even mentioned His death and resurrection, and when He did mention it, they had no clue what He was talking about. Not to mention they had no idea that He would die for our sins (the gospel Paul preached). Apparently, you have no idea also, because you still think that we repent from sins to be saved, rather than believe the gospel to be saved.

Jesus preached that he forgives sins and to have faith in him.

Do you want the many scriptures again?

John the baptizer even proclaimed that Jesus is the LAMB OF GOD who takes away the sins of the world. Everyone knew what the lambs were for.

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

 

[God's Truth]

So God sinned by making man?

Humans have to repent of sins, not God.

If you go by the KJV, then God stopped/turned from the evil that He was going to do.

Exodus 32:14
King James Bible
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.


That is about God stopping/repenting what He thought of doing.


2 Samuel 24:16 King James Bible
And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.

Psalm 106:45 King James Bible
And he remembered for them his covenant, and repented according to the multitude of his mercies.

Johah 3:10 King James Bible
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.


Again, humans have to repent of SINS, God does not.

And on top of that, repentance was required by, you guessed it, THE LAW!

Law is not grace.

Without the shedding of blood, there was no forgiveness of sins.

The law was a teaching tool it was a shadow of Jesus.

God did not like it that the Jews would give a sin offering but not really be sorry for their sins. God said it made the righteous blood offerings as dirty bloody rags. It made God be weary of their sacrifices.

He said he would make a new covenant.

“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” -2 Chronicles 7:14
Why are you ignoring the context of that verse. It has nothing to do with being saved from one's sins and being granted eternal life:

When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people,if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:13-14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

And did you notice the part where God defines EXACTLY who He's talking about doing this for?

"if My people who are CALLED BY MY NAME"

"El" is one of God's names.
Isra-EL

"The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" is another of God's names.
God put part of His name in Abram's name, the "H" sound, from YHWH, changing it to AbrAHam, and renamed Jacob to IsraEL.

What is God saving them from?

"When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people"

What is that a result of?

Their sin.

God is NOT saying He will forgive ALL of their sins, only the sin that led Him to do the above, to shut up heaven, to send locusts, or to send pestilences, because God is MERCIFUL to those who are sorry for breaking HIS... what? HIS LAW!

God says their sins/offenses had to be turned away from before He would save them.

Ezekiel 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

How can you EVER say that it is Satan who wants you to repent of sins?!
Not what Sozo said.

He did say it.
Here it is again:

Satan is the one who teaches that "You must repent of your sins to be saved".

God is the one who tells us to repent of our sins.
Not to be saved, He doesn't.

Jesus says repent or perish. That is clear that one will perish and not have salvation if they don’t repent of sins.

 

[God's Truth]

This "Jesus divided" nonsense is only in your mind.

Having two plans does NOT make "Jesus divided".

Jesus is not divided there is one gospel for all.

Romans 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles. He gave me the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

No Other Gospel

Galatians 1:6
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 [which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus is not divided there is one gospel for all.

So Jesus cannot have two plans? One that was told from the beginning and one that kept secret and then revealed later?

By what magical Biblical interpretation do you exclude God from doing this?

Romans 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles. He gave me the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

No Other Gospel

Galatians 1:6
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 [which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

To understand Galatians 1, you have to take the CONTEXT into account... but you never do. That's why you're so utterly and desperately confused.

This could help, but you will likely not even read it much less understand it: https://theologyonline.com/blogs/right-divider/2441093-

 

[God's Truth]

So Jesus cannot have two plans?

Jesus came and taught and died for the one plan for salvation.

Same plan that Jesus died for.

1 Corinthians 2 6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written:


1 Peter 1:20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

2 Timothy 1:9 He has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time, but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.

Ephesians 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blamelessin his sight. In love

By what magical Biblical interpretation do you exclude God from doing this?

There is no such thing from God which you preach.

There is no such thing as humans not having to repent from their sins to get saved.

There is no such thing as two separate gospel that save.

Jesus is the good news and we have to all be saved the same way.

To understand Galatians 1, you have to take the CONTEXT into account... but you never do. That's why you're so utterly and desperately confused.

I believe exactly what Paul says he says no other gospel, not even from him or an angel.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus came and taught and died for the one plan for salvation.

Who said two plans FOR SALVATION? What KIND of salvation?

There is no such thing from God which you preach.

:juggle:

There is no such thing as humans not having to repent from their sins to get saved.

Please quote the BIBLE were is says "repent from sins".... here are the ONLY TWO verses in the ENTIRE Bible that even have REPENT and SINS in the same verse.

Act 2:38 KJV Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 3:19 KJV Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

The CONTEXT of BOTH of those is Israel repenting of REJECTING and KILLING the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is no such thing as two separate gospel that save.

Always with the weasel words.

I've NEVER said that there are multiple ways to eternal life... NEVER!

Jesus is the good news and we have to all be saved the same way.

There are many gospels in the Bible. God has plenty of good news.

I believe exactly what Paul says he says no other gospel, not even from him or an angel.

You are a CONTEXT-LESS wonder.

Since you obviously didn't bother to read the blog, here it is in full:

Many claim that Galatians 1 precludes multiple gospels. But it's simply them ignoring context as is too typical of many.

Gal 1:6-9 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:6) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: (1:7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (1:8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (1:9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

There is a specific audience involved here. Once you take that into account, there is no problem at all.

 

[God's Truth]

Who said two plans FOR SALVATION? What KIND of salvation?

There is only one kind of salvation, and it doesn't have anything to do with some saved now to a higher position than others that have to be saved now.

Please quote the BIBLE were is says "repent from sins".... here are the ONLY TWO verses in the ENTIRE Bible that even have REPENT and SINS in the same verse.

To repent is to be sorry for your sins and have every intention of stopping them.

Acts 8:22 Repent, therefore, of your wickedness,

Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.


Revelation 16:10 The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony because of their sufferings and because of their sores, but nevertheless they still refused to repent of their deeds.11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.

Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

Luke 24:47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.



^{1 John 1:9} If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

There are many gospels in the Bible. God has plenty of good news.

Jesus is the good news.

Many claim that Galatians 1 precludes multiple gospels. But it's simply them ignoring context as is too typical of many.

No other gospel period.

 

[Right Divider]

There is only one kind of salvation, and it doesn't have anything to do with some saved now to a higher position than others that have to be saved now.

:dizzy:

You are unable to understand even the simplest of things. There are different "salvation's" in the Bible.

Luk 1:68-75 KJV Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, (69) And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; (70) As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: (71) That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; (72) To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; (73) The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, (74) That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, (75) In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

That passage is about a "salvation" that is NOT talking about eternal life or being saved from sins.

To repent is to be sorry for your sins and have every intention of stopping them.

So you believe that the LORD was sorry for His sins and had every intention of stopping them?

Exo 32:14 KJV And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

You use FALSE DEFINITIONS for words in the Bible. That is dumb and makes you look silly and confused.

 

[God's Truth]

:dizzy:

You are unable to understand even the simplest of things. There are different "salvation's" in the Bible.



That passage is about a "salvation" that is NOT talking about eternal life or being saved from sins.


So you believe that the LORD was sorry for His sins and had every intention of stopping them?



You use FALSE DEFINITIONS for words in the Bible. That is dumb and makes you look silly and confused.

I gave you many scriptures about repentance is from sins.

 

[Right Divider]

I gave you many scriptures about repentance is from sins.

Deal with what I said and quit running to your standard nonsense.

 

[God's Truth]

Deal with what I said and quit running to your standard nonsense.

I gave you many scriptures that say repent of sins and what did you do in return?

 

[God's Truth]

So you believe that the LORD was sorry for His sins and had every intention of stopping them?

Just look at that dishonest thing you did acting like I said that. Shame on you for doing that.

 

[God's Truth]

You are unable to understand even the simplest of things. There are different "salvation's" in the Bible.

There are not different salvations in the New Testament.,

When a person is SAVED they have SALVATION, they are RECONCILED to God and won't die in their SINS and are given ETERNAL LIFE. if they continue to have faith and obedience.