Shooting at SC Church During Bible Study - Suspect still at large
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You have to be some kind of uneducated twit.
I hope you did not have to pay money for what
they told you was supposed to be an education.
If you believe the Civil war was started over slavery,
then you are your own special kind of ignorant.
Before you go and blather on and on about nothing,
understand that many many legitimate institutions of
higher learning, including but not limited to the U.S.
Naval War College, and the U.S. Army War College,
do NOT agree with your lie.
And what gives you this idea?:yawn:
Either you know what you're talking about or you don't (and an appeal to authority no kind of argument, by the way).
Well, we can't all be the product of your obvious education...not if we mean to remain rational or upright at any rate.
Actually I had more than an academic interest, being the descendant of some of the men who had their bloody hands in that war. We have our family histories and stories and those led me into a more particular education long before I took it up in a formal sense.
Yes, the sort that reads and reading understands.
But always a pleasure to see you on the wrong side of history.
IMJerusha
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Can you ever wield anything but ugliness? You should be able to state your conviction without demeaning and belittling. If you truly respected the institutions you've named, you'd act with the integrity they embody.
IMJerusha
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So the South "Died of a Theory," eh? You really need to put yourself on the more to the left side of politics.
And he was wrong because the black community holds themselves in slavery now. A perfect example of this would be the Arthur Ashe monument on Monument Avenue in Richmond. His wife didn't want him on the same street with monuments to the Confederacy but rather wanted him placed in front of the new African American Sports Hall of Fame. Why would she want to do that to him when the thing he strove so hard to achieve would be better served on Monument Avenue?
Do you think the photos of Bloody Angle, Peach Orchard, Devil's Den at Gettysburg or Vicksburg, depict holding anything in check? How about Sherman's march into Atlanta. What was being held in check there? I don't see all that have died in the cause of Civil Rights as a less violent means, Town. Just exactly how can you?
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." -- Abraham Lincoln
I'm reminded of something here, oh yes, this:
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So, when it suits, use it! Of course!
Do you question the legality of the Sovereignty of the States?
"Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever." Jefferson Davis
The Framers of our Government held with a state's right to secede in the protection of individual rights. That's what the 9th and 10th amendments are about. Lincoln flat ignored that and then had the audacity to declare at his Gettysburg address a government of the people, by the people and for the people. Cute and very hypocritical.
I'm not so sure that the black community is interested in full equality in America.
Hide and watch, it's coming, or at least it's currently being proposed. Our nation is heading toward a dangerous place and Democrats are taking it there at the expense of freedom and the taxpayer. Next thing you know, the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy will be considered illegal and then people will be prohibited from even learning or speaking about the Civil War or ancestors who fought in it. Heaven only knows what will happen to dedicated Confederate cemeteries!
Not exactly the statement of a child of the South any more than Jenny Horne's. The Confederate Flag was never a symbol of hate but rather of the right of a people to govern themselves; a right granted states and individuals within those states by the Constitution.
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No, the South died to preserve an evil. It used the notion of legal separation from the Union to attempt it without bloodshed.
You really need to worry more about yourself given what follows. My politics only look leftist to someone to the right of Birch.
No and you might want to check yourself on why you feel comfortable with that sort of stereotype while defending the Confederate flag.
I said Lincoln was willing to allow slavery to die a less violent death by attempting to accommodate its practice, reserved to those areas where it existed and forbidding its expansion. The South understood that. It understood that Lincoln's attempt to quarantine slavery would end with its extinction. The only chance it had was the one it took.
As you note, his first concern was preserving the Union, just as the South's first concern was preserving slavery.
Nice dodge of the point you can't answer: Lincoln didn't need to end slavery by amendment. But he put his full weight into doing that. Because he always wanted it ended, as the South knew. When he had the ability he used it.
I question the point of going down that rabbit hole when it isn't the point of my objection where the Confederate flag is concerned.
I'm pretty sure I only just finished writing that I agreed they had the legal right. But I'm glad that the Union was preserved and that right ended, effectively. It was a horrible idea and the war illustrated why.
There's nothing hypocritical about it. Are you in favor of everything that's legal today? Does it make you a hypocrite to say abortion is legal but oppose it and to be glad if it ends tomorrow, however it ends.
lain: No idea what you mean by that and I'm not sure it's in your best interest to tell me.My lineage, heritage and affection regarding the South aren't in question by anyone with a rational bone in their body.
Not if you were on the white side of the color bar. Else, you're delusional.
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Yes but you thought it inappropriate so ... shouldn't we do away with it? The offending symbol, that is.
With a reach like that you should have been a power forward. I said the two symbols struck me as incompatible.
Now, Mr. Verne, I tell you what, when someone tries to run the sickle up the flagpole in Texas you let me know and I'll write the op-ed piece denouncing it and what it stands for.
Symbols are symbols. If you disallow the ones you don't like prepare for your ox to be gored as well.
... and I think Texas can take care of itself. In fact, there's been talk of secession for some time. You know how us bigots are.
Yeah, all talk, no action.
TH ... in all honesty, you've sidestepped most every salient point offered you in this thread to nip at the heels of the weak and aged lingering at the back of the rhetorical pack (and by that I mean offerings, not people). That is not normally your M.O.
Makes me think there is something at play here that doesn't meet the eye that goes beyond the garden variety self loathing accepted by those foolish enough to buy what our would be culture meisters are currently dispensing.
For someone of your intelligence and education to deny and/or ignore vast swathes of history in order to justify this most recent redefinition and following vilification of a symbol is a little out of character.
Makes me think there is something at play here that doesn't meet the eye that goes beyond the garden variety self loathing accepted by those foolish enough to buy what our would be culture meisters are currently dispensing.
For someone of your intelligence and education to deny and/or ignore vast swathes of history in order to justify this most recent redefinition and following vilification of a symbol is a little out of character.
Well, then we wouldn't have had a civil war, right? I mean, that's what it was all about, right?
I can't imagine that's the case. List them if you believe that and I'll consider or point you to a different understanding.
I'm speaking to the root of the war and the reasons why the Southern symbol of that has no place over the seat of any government. I'm not sure what else there is on the issue of the Confederate battle flag that is of particular moment.
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I was referring to the armchair Rambos with big mouths and guns who think "liberty" means intimidating people by strutting their firearms in public. Or who think the rebel flag is a worthy symbol. And so forth.
Oh, I thought you meant the cowards that like to pop off on the computer from the safety of their living room.
Courage and bravery don't exist on TOL. It is what it is.
Quite a broad statement. I quite disagree with you.