I said
That is one of the revelations of Jesus Christ. I hope you read the whole thing for your sake. So you can stop spreading heresy.
Saved---Revoked
- Thread starter Squeaky
- Start date
I said
That is one of the revelations of Jesus Christ. I hope you read the whole thing for your sake. So you can stop spreading heresy.
I said
You turned away from God when you refused to go into the meat understanding. You have been in scripture long enough to have made it to the meat.
Heb 5:12-14
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
(NKJ)
Daniel1611
New member
So you're saying man can turn from God and lose his salvation which implies that his works have a part in his salvation.
The bible says God will not forsake a man once be is saved. Its called everlasting life. If you lose it, its not everlasting.
Yes, God is not a car salesman, if He says it is a free gift then it is a free gift.
Not by works of righteous....lest squeaky should boast in God's presence.
....fall from grace does not equate to being damned, a vast number of Christians fall from grace, when squeaky preaches works he has fallen from grace.
We ALL may fall from grace but not so as to be lost.
We ALL may fall from grace but not so as to be lost.
I said
God gave you the best example there is around for those that God saves. God saved the people out of the land of Egypt. Then He destroyed all those who would not believe. And that is what is going to happen to everyone who doesn't go into the meat understanding.
1 Cor 10:11
11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come.
(NKJ)
Jude 1:5
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
(NKJ)
ABIDING IN THE MILK? NOT GROWING IN VERSES (STAYING CARNAL)
John 8:42-43
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
1 Pet 2:1-2
1 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all guile, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking,
2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby,
Heb 5:13-14
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Matt 24:12-13
12 "And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
13 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
II Th 3:13
13 But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good.
2 Pet 3:18
18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
Rev 3:15-16
15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
James 1:21-24
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror;
24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
Heb 9:8-9
8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing.
9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience--
Heb 6:10
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Heb 4:1-2
1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Acts 7:51
51 "You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.
2 Tim 3:7
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Col 2:9
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Col 1:19
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,
2 Cor 5:5-7
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
Rom 10:8
8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
1 Tim 6:12-15
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate,
14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
(NKJ)
xxx To abide in the milk is to be lukewarm. The milk is 3 to 4 years long. This time is used for reading the verses and putting them into your book of beliefs. This is the time of finding the Holy Spirit within you. When them verses start coming to remembrance is the time to go into the meat. And start crucifing your flesh(feelings & emotions) by obeying the verses. Then if you can obey for 11 years you should come to the revelations of Jesus Christ. Some people abide in the milk understanding their whole life.
Luke 6:46
46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?
(NKJ)
Matt 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
(NKJ)
1 Cor 15:1-3
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
(KJV)
John 8:42-43
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
1 Pet 2:1-2
1 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all guile, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking,
2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby,
Heb 5:13-14
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Matt 24:12-13
12 "And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
13 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
II Th 3:13
13 But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good.
2 Pet 3:18
18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
Rev 3:15-16
15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
James 1:21-24
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror;
24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
Heb 9:8-9
8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing.
9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience--
Heb 6:10
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Heb 4:1-2
1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Acts 7:51
51 "You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.
2 Tim 3:7
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Col 2:9
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Col 1:19
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,
2 Cor 5:5-7
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
Rom 10:8
8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
1 Tim 6:12-15
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate,
14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
(NKJ)
xxx To abide in the milk is to be lukewarm. The milk is 3 to 4 years long. This time is used for reading the verses and putting them into your book of beliefs. This is the time of finding the Holy Spirit within you. When them verses start coming to remembrance is the time to go into the meat. And start crucifing your flesh(feelings & emotions) by obeying the verses. Then if you can obey for 11 years you should come to the revelations of Jesus Christ. Some people abide in the milk understanding their whole life.
Luke 6:46
46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?
(NKJ)
Matt 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
(NKJ)
1 Cor 15:1-3
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
(KJV)
I said
lol I don't think you understand. We are saved by grace. If you fall from that grace you are no longer saved by it.
Eph 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
(NKJ)
And we are only saved so that we can work out our salvation.
Phil 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
(NKJ)
Aimiel
Well-known member
No, but our sin can send us to hell. Only Jesus' Blood can give us salvation, it can be forsaken, or we wouldn't be given so many warnings. We can turn from God.
Man can forsake God, at any time. Angels did so. What makes you think men cannot?
You're being absurd.
Daniel1611
New member
So you're saying you can do something, a work, like "turning from God, to lose your salvation. So you're saying right now you are doing something, working to be saved.
I said
Saved is not salvation. And yes He can destroy you if you do not believe the rest.
Jude 1:5
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
(NKJ)
God's Truth
New member
It isn't of the devil to obey Jesus, no matter what.
God's Truth
New member
Being saved and having salvation are the same thing.
God's Truth
New member
It is not 'our' works that we are to do, it is God's works.
Jesus did God's works, and we are to do them too.
God's Truth
New member
If you fall into the hands of the Living God, it could turn into a dreadful thing.
God's Truth
New member
If you fall from grace, what kind of salvation do you have?
God's Truth
New member
Again, being saved is salvation.
I said
I'm sorry but there not. Saved is temporary, while salvation is eternal. Your only saved so that you can work out your salvation. Saved is a free gift. Salvation has to be worked for.
Phil 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
(NKJ)
God's Truth
New member
Correct.
That is an excellent point about the angels.
There were Jews who were saved, and the Jews who did not have faith in God were broken off because they did not have faith.
Paul says that should make us tremble?
Romans 11:20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.
Why should that make us tremble?
Romans 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
Romans 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
We have to continue in His kindness. We have to keep having faith and keep obeying Him.
Amen?
God's Truth
New member
Saved is temporary? Where do you get that?
Try a regular dictionary and look up salvation.
Last edited: