Same sex marriages are all null, according to Christians

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Isn't it wonderful that you teach the lost that God was mistaken in assigning the harshest punishment for the sin of homosexual acts?
By accepting your teachings they can stay lost!

Show me one word from Christ about homosexuality.

Jesus stated this:

Matthew 5:17-18 17 [JESUS]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[/JESUS] 18 [JESUS]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.[/JESUS]​

Which includes this:

Leviticus 20:13 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.​

Moreover show me one reason I should accept that the Levites of 4k years ago know more about homosexuality than we do today.

You should accept that God Himself knows more about homosexuality than everyone on earth today.

Leviticus 18:18,22-30 18 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. 24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: 27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled; ) 28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. 29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. 30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God.​

 

[marhig]

Right; and, Jesus mixed only with those who repented of their sins; they were baptized with John's baptism of repentance.

I believe that Jesus was close to those who truly repented and followed him, but I believe that Jesus would have mixed with anyone hoping to save them. I mean in this way.

Matthew 9

And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

He is actually saying that he's calling the publicans and sinners to repentance yet he was at meat in the house mixing with them even though they hadn't yet repented. Hopefully many did though

 

[meshak]

I believe that Jesus was close to those who truly repented and followed him, but I believe that Jesus would have mixed with anyone hoping to save them. I mean in this way.

Matthew 9

And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

He is actually saying that he's calling the publicans and sinners to repentance yet he was at meat in the house mixing with them even though they hadn't yet repented. Hopefully many did though

right on.

 

[God's Truth]

I believe that Jesus was close to those who truly repented and followed him, but I believe that Jesus would have mixed with anyone hoping to save them. I mean in this way.

Matthew 9

And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

He is actually saying that he's calling the publicans and sinners to repentance yet he was at meat in the house mixing with them even though they hadn't yet repented. Hopefully many did though

Jesus taught to repent of sins.

Do you really think that he just hung around them and befriended them without telling them they had to stop sinning?

Matthew 21:31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

Matthew 21:32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.


Did you read that?

They were baptized by John the baptizer.

The tax collector's repented of their sin.

 

[God's Truth]

Matthew 9:10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples.


Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, Matthew was a tax collector, and an apostle of Jesus Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

Luke 7:29
(All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus’ words, acknowledged that God’s way was right, because they had been baptized by John.

 

[marhig]

Jesus taught to repent of sins.

Do you really think that he just hung around them and befriended them without telling them they had to stop sinning?

Matthew 21:31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

Matthew 21:32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.


Did you read that?

They were baptized by John the baptizer.

The tax collector's repented of their sin.

Nope, I believe that he clearly told them that they are to repent and stop sinning, but I don't believe that they had repented before that, because he clearly said to the Pharisees that he was calling sinners to repentance.

Jesus didn't only preach and mix with those who had been baptised by John, he will have preached to everyone. The first word he preached was repent, he wouldn't have needed to call people to repentance if they had already repented.

 

[marhig]

Matthew 9:10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples.


Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, Matthew was a tax collector, and an apostle of Jesus Christ.

Matthew wasn't yet an apostle, Jesus hadn't chosen his apostles by then. And Jesus had only just asked Matthew to follow him. It says this just before the verse you quoted.

Matthew 9:9

And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.

Also, not all tax collectors and prostitute's etc. had been baptised by John, there will have been many who weren't baptised by him too.

 

[God's Truth]

Nope, I believe that he clearly told them that they are to repent and stop sinning, but I don't believe that they had repented before that, because he clearly said to the Pharisees that he was calling sinners to repentance.

John the baptizer prepared the way for Jesus by preaching repentance. When John was arrested, Jesus started preaching repent or perish.

John the baptizer prepared the way for Jesus. He came preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (Luke 1:76-80).

Jesus Begins to Preach
12 When Jesus heard that John had been put in prison, he withdrew to Galilee. 13 Leaving Nazareth, he went and lived in Capernaum, which was by the lake in the area of Zebulun and Naphtali— 14 to fulfill what was said through the prophet Isaiah:

15 “Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali,
the Way of the Sea, beyond the Jordan,
Galilee of the Gentiles—
16 the people living in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of the shadow of death
a light has dawned.”

17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”

Matthew 21:31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

Matthew 21:32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Jesus didn't only preach and mix with those who had been baptised by John, he will have preached to everyone. The first word he preached was repent, he wouldn't have needed to call people to repentance if they had already repented.

Many people repented with John's baptism of repentance; and, Jesus preached repent. However, Jesus didn't just hang around sinners. Jesus preached to sinners about the kingdom.

 

[God's Truth]

Matthew wasn't yet an apostle, Jesus hadn't chosen his apostles by then. And Jesus had only just asked Matthew to follow him. It says this just before the verse you quoted.

What are you talking about? The scripture says plainly that Jesus was having dinner at Matthews house and tax collectors and sinners came to eat with them.

Matthew 9:10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples.

When Jesus asked Matthew to follow him, it is then that Matthew became an apostle. Where do you get that Matthew wasn't an apostle yet? Where do you get that Matthew was not a repentant sinner?

Matthew 9:9 And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.

Also, not all tax collectors and prostitute's etc. had been baptised by John, there will have been many who weren't baptised by him too.

I gave scriptures about the tax collectors and prostitutes repenting of their sins because that is what the scriptures say.

It isn't right for people to do what you did when you made it as if we can just hang around homosexuals and other sinners as if Jesus did without preaching that they are to stop sinning.

Is that what you do? Do you hang around prostitutes and homosexuals and preach to them all day?

 

[marhig]

What are you talking about? The scripture says plainly that Jesus was having dinner at Matthews house and tax collectors and sinners came to eat with them.

Matthew 9:10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples.

When Jesus asked Matthew to follow him, it is then that Matthew became an apostle. Where do you get that Matthew wasn't an apostle yet? Where do you get that Matthew was not a repentant sinner?

Matthew 9:9 And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.


I gave scriptures about the tax collectors and prostitutes repenting of their sins because that is what the scriptures say.

It isn't right for people to do what you did when you made it as if we can just hang around homosexuals and other sinners as if Jesus did without preaching that they are to stop sinning.

Is that what you do? Do you hang around prostitutes and homosexuals and preach to them all day?

Firstly Jesus had not yet chosen his apostles, he didn't do that till later on, so Matthew was not yet an apostle and he had only just started following Jesus.

And yes, I would mix with anyone, God is no respecter of persons, there is a difference in mixing with people to bring the truth, and joining in with what they do and agreeing with them. I wouldn't join in and agree with what they are doing, but I would mix with them, help them and bring the truth to them hoping that they would believe and turn to Christ. I would help and care for prostitute's, drug addicts, anyone, God wants them all back. Many of these will have better hearts than many of the holier than thou types that go to churches!

What do you think happened? Do you think those prostitute's and sinners who went in before the others repented before they heard the truth? No not at all. And do you think that every single prostitute, tax collector and sinner in Jerusalem had repented? No they won't have. They had to hear the word of God first. And for that they needed a preacher, and at that time they were blessed to hear the truth from God's son and now they hear the truth from Gods son in others. There will be many people that Jesus mixed with who had not yet repented and many who would have rejected him.

Jesus preached to 5000, do you think that they all repented beforehand? No. Jesus came to call sinners to repentance, thus he will have mixed with them to do so.

By the way, where did I say that I would hang around with them and not tell them that what they are doing is wrong?

 

[marhig]

John the baptizer prepared the way for Jesus by preaching repentance. When John was arrested, Jesus started preaching repent or perish.

John the baptizer prepared the way for Jesus. He came preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (Luke 1:76-80).

Jesus Begins to Preach
12 When Jesus heard that John had been put in prison, he withdrew to Galilee. 13 Leaving Nazareth, he went and lived in Capernaum, which was by the lake in the area of Zebulun and Naphtali— 14 to fulfill what was said through the prophet Isaiah:

15 “Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali,
the Way of the Sea, beyond the Jordan,
Galilee of the Gentiles—
16 the people living in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of the shadow of death
a light has dawned.”

17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”

Matthew 21:31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

Matthew 21:32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.



Many people repented with John's baptism of repentance; and, Jesus preached repent. However, Jesus didn't just hang around sinners. Jesus preached to sinners about the kingdom.

We are now to bring the truth to others, and mix with everyone as john did, bringing Christ to them with the hope that they will believe in him and through him they can be saved. And leave the judgement to God as he will judge their hearts, not us. We are not to pick and choose. Jesus said that the gospel is to be preached to everyone, every creature in every nation and that includes the people who you wouldn't mix with!

 

[God's Truth]

We are now to bring the truth to others, and mix with everyone as john did, bringing Christ to them with the hope that they will believe in him and through him they can be saved. And leave the judgement to God as he will judge their hearts, not us. We are not to pick and choose. Jesus said that the gospel is to be preached to everyone, every creature in every nation and that includes the people who you wouldn't mix with!

I don't believe you that you hang around prostitutes and homosexuals and preach to them every time you get together with them.

 

[marhig]

I used to work in a supermarket, and I used to talk about God to some of the others that worked with me. One day I spoke to a gay man, I told him the truth and I told him about Jesus. He asked me if what I was saying was in the Bible, I told him yes, I told him that it says that gay acts are wrong to commit before God and I used to talk to him about God often, and he liked to listen and ask questions. I didn't go out socialising with him or anyone else for that matter, I just talked to him and I cared for him and hoped that he would listen and believe. He definitely listened I hope that he turned from what he was doing and obeyed God as he didn't work there for very long.

Then I also spoke to a married mother of 3, one of my bosses. She laughed and scoffed at me and told me I was ridiculous to believe in fairy stories and she wouldn't listen to me again.

Which one had the softer heart?

 

[marhig]

I don't believe you that you hang around prostitutes and homosexuals and preach to them every time you get together with them.

You don't know me GT, I would mix with anyone, I'm no better than anyone else. I wouldn't join in with people when they are doing wrong things, but I would definitely help them and speak about God to them yes.

 

[God's Truth]

Firstly Jesus had not yet chosen his apostles, he didn't do that till later on, so Matthew was not yet an apostle and he had only just started following Jesus.

Jesus telling Matthew to follow him was making Matthew his apostle.

And yes, I would mix with anyone.

God is no respecter of persons, there is a difference in mixing with people to bring the truth,
and joining in with what they do and agreeing with them. I wouldn't join in and agree with what they are doing, but I would mix with them, help them and bring the truth to them hoping that they would believe and turn to Christ. I would help and care for prostitute's, drug addicts, anyone, God wants them all back. Many of these will have better hearts than many of the holier than thou types that go to churches!

You would but you probably never did. I would like to hear some of your stories how you helped all those people you are talking about. So did they keep letting you hang around them while you preached how sinful they are and need to repent?

What do you think happened? Do you think those prostitute's and sinners who went in before the others repented before they heard the truth? No not at all. And do you think that every single prostitute, tax collector and sinner in Jerusalem had repented? No they won't have. They had to hear the word of God first. And for that they needed a preacher, and at that time they were blessed to hear the truth from God's son and now they hear the truth from Gods son in others. There will be many people that Jesus mixed with who had not yet repented and many who would have rejected him.

Jesus preached to 5000, do you think that they all repented beforehand? No. Jesus came to call sinners to repentance, thus he will have mixed with them to do so.

I have been telling you all along that Jesus preached to them. So stop acting as If I did not.

By the way, where did I say that I would hang around with them and not tell them that what they are doing is wrong?

So all this lessons you think you are giving me is just from your imagination?

 

[God's Truth]

I used to work in a supermarket, and I used to talk about God to some of the others that worked with me. One day I spoke to a gay man, I told him the truth and I told him about Jesus. He asked me if what I was saying was in the Bible, I told him yes, I told him that it says that gay acts are wrong to commit before God and I used to talk to him about God often, and he liked to listen and ask questions. I didn't go out socialising with him or anyone else for that matter, I just talked to him and I cared for him and hoped that he would listen and believe. He definitely listened I hope that he turned from what he was doing and obeyed God as he didn't work there for very long.

Then I also spoke to a married mother of 3, one of my bosses. She laughed and scoffed at me and told me I was ridiculous to believe in fairy stories and she wouldn't listen to me again.

Which one had the softer heart?

You wouldn't just hang around and mix with the sinners, right? You would actually preach the whole time you were with them, right?

I am just tired of people preaching that Jesus mixed with sinners and for Christians not to be so judgmental.

Jesus did not just mix with sinners.

Jesus preached to them and told them that they need to repent and stop sinning.

 

[marhig]

Jesus telling Matthew to follow him was making Matthew his apostle.



You would but you probably never did. I would like to hear some of your stories how you helped all those people you are talking about. So did they keep letting you hang around them while you preached how sinful they are and need to repent?



I have been telling you all along that Jesus preached to them. So stop acting as If I did not.


So all this lessons you think you are giving me is just from your imagination?

So, how did Jesus preach to them if he didn't mix with them and come among them?

 

[God's Truth]

You don't know me GT, I would mix with anyone, I'm no better than anyone else. I wouldn't join in with people when they are doing wrong things, but I would definitely help them and speak about God to them yes.

If you are no better than an unrepentant sinner, then you have no business being a hypocrite to them by telling them to repent and stop sinning.

Luke 6:42 How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

 

[marhig]

Jesus telling Matthew to follow him was making Matthew his apostle.



You would but you probably never did. I would like to hear some of your stories how you helped all those people you are talking about. So did they keep letting you hang around them while you preached how sinful they are and need to repent?



I have been telling you all along that Jesus preached to them. So stop acting as If I did not.


So all this lessons you think you are giving me is just from your imagination?

Here's when Jesus made the 12 apostles, and Matthew was not an apostle until then. They were disciples up until this point as seen in the verses below.

Matthew 10

And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

N,ow the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him