SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT

[oatmeal]

What does "believe" entail?

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
"specifically, in a moral and religious reference, πιστεύειν is used in the N. T. of "the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of his soul"; thus it stands α. absolutely to trust in Jesus or in God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something..."


believe
πιστεύσῃς (pisteusēs)
Verb - Aorist Subjunctive Active - 2nd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 4100: From pistis; to have faith, i.e. Credit; by implication, to entrust.

To believe is to hold the word in mind and act accordingly, as doers of the word and not hearers only

 

[God's Truth]

Did I say that you are not saved?

NO, I did not

False accusers of the brethren are not appreciated by God.

Revelation 12:10

¹⁰ And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

If you cannot imagine that God chooses His words carefully, then when you do realize that, then will you be able to understand what I wrote.

Until then, it would be a waste of my time to speak to you of such matters, since they would be way over your head

You do say it.

You think I don't have a foundation.

I hope someone such as yourself does but me on ignore.

 

[God's Truth]

Where in Scripture does it say that Jesus gives the free gift only to those who obey?

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

Matthew 18:3 "I assure you," He said, "unless you are converted and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Acts 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

Acts 10:35 but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him.

Acts 13:26 "Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.

John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

Psalm 50:23 Whoever sacrifices a thank offering honors Me, and whoever orders his conduct, I will show him the salvation of God."

John 18:37 Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."

John 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

 

[Bright Raven]

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

Matthew 18:3 "I assure you," He said, "unless you are converted and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Acts 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

Acts 10:35 but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him.

Acts 13:26 "Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.

John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

Psalm 50:23 Whoever sacrifices a thank offering honors Me, and whoever orders his conduct, I will show him the salvation of God."

John 18:37 Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."

John 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Where does any of this say that there is salvation in obedience. There is salvation ONE WAY, by belief that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior.

 

[God's Truth]

Where does any of this say that there is salvation in obedience. There is salvation ONE WAY, by belief that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior.

Denial is not a defense for any truth. You just denying means you have no idea how to go against what I say.

Jesus came to show us the Way. He told us all how to get saved. If you don't believe those scriptures or understand what they mean, then try just obeying, because that is to whom he gives understanding

 

[oatmeal]

You do say it.

You think I don't have a foundation.

I hope someone such as yourself does but me on ignore.

What?

 

[God's Truth]

What?

Keep trying to figure it out.

 

[Right Divider]

Theoretical narrative:

Your "theoretical narrative" is a lot like your "theoretical theology" ... completely bogus.

 

[Right Divider]

No kidding they were SHEEP of Israel.

Not all Jews were called sheep of Israel.

Of COURSE they are.

Eze 34:30-31 KJV Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD. (31) And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD.​

This is the chapter of the Bible that describes the GOOD SHEPHERD. You should know this.

 

[oatmeal]

Keep trying to figure it out.

I hope someone such as yourself does but me on ignore.

 

[God's Truth]

Your "theoretical narrative" is a lot like your "theoretical theology" ... completely bogus.

See, you prove it that it was right.

 

[God's Truth]

Of COURSE they are.

Eze 34:30-31 KJV Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD. (31) And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD.​

This is the chapter of the Bible that describes the GOOD SHEPHERD. You should know this.

Ezekiel 34:22 I will judge between one sheep and another.”

Did you read that?

God is going to judge between the sheep.

He is going to judge between them and CUT SOME OFF.

Jesus calls some of them children of Satan.

Do you need the scriptures?

 

[Right Divider]

Ezekiel 34:22 I will judge between one sheep and another.”

Did you read that?

I did read that. Did you think that I cherry-pick the scripture like you?

Eze 34:20-24 KJV Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. (21) Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; (22) Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. (23) And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. (24) And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.​

God is going to judge between the sheep.

He is going to judge between them and CUT SOME OFF.

No kidding? Does this mean that there is actually some scripture that you understand? WOW, that's a great start.

ALL of the SHEEP are ISRAEL. God will separate believing Israel from unbelieving Israel... no great mystery there.

Jesus calls some of them children of Satan.

So? Some of ISRAEL were unbelievers... once again, no great mystery there.

Do you need the scriptures?

Nope. You've proven nothing and I don't need scripture for that.

 

[God's Truth]

I did read that. Did you think that I cherry-pick the scripture like you?

Eze 34:20-24 KJV Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. (21) Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; (22) Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. (23) And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. (24) And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.​

No kidding? Does this mean that there is actually some scripture that you understand? WOW, that's a great start.

ALL of the SHEEP are ISRAEL. God will separate believing Israel from unbelieving Israel... no great mystery there.


So? Some of ISRAEL were unbelievers... once again, no great mystery there.


Nope. You've proven nothing and I don't need scripture for that.

Jesus didn't come for all of Israel. That is just ignorant and false teaching from you. God cut off many so they could not understand Jesus and be saved.

Jesus came for only those whom God kept as His.

You think Jesus speaks about some of them as being GOATS for nothing?

You don't know that goats aren't lambs?

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus gives the gift to God's children.

You have to become a child of God's before you receive the gift.


Children are HEIRS.

You don't get to be a child of God's, and heir, just by saying you are one, just by saying you believe.

Jesus came and told how to become a child of God's.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus didn't come for all of Israel.

I understand that you don't like much of the Bible.

Joh 1:11-12 KJV He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Mat 15:24 KJV But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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That is just ignorant and false teaching from you.

I let ALL of the Bible be true. You prefer a few cherry-picked verses filled with "your meaning".

God cut off many so they could not understand Jesus and be saved.

Who disagreed with that?

Jesus came for only those whom God kept as His.

Joh 1:11-12 KJV He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Mat 15:24 KJV But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

You think Jesus speaks about some of them as being GOATS for nothing?

Don't lie about what I say... it's a sin.

You don't know that goats aren't lambs?

Don't lie about what I say... it's a sin.

 

[God's Truth]

I understand that you don't like much of the Bible.

Joh 1:11-12 KJV He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Mat 15:24 KJV But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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I let ALL of the Bible be true. You prefer a few cherry-picked verses filled with "your meaning".

You don't even know how to cherry pick.

Tell me, if all of Israel are sheep, who in hell are the wolves in sheep's clothing?

 

[Right Divider]

You don't even know how to cherry pick.

I don't need to know how to... I don't do it. But you sure do.

Tell me, if all of Israel are sheep, who in hell are the wolves in sheep's clothing?

Do you not understand FIGURES OF SPEECH?

That's too bad, because the Bible uses TONS of them.

 

[God's Truth]

I understand that you don't like much of the Bible.


Joh 1:11-12 KJV He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

You are the one who doesn’t like much of the Bible when you try to change it to say what you want it to say. Where does that scripture say he came for all of Israel? That scriptures says he came unto his own..

Mat 15:24 KJV But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Not all of the Israelties were considered the lost sheep of Israel.

God cut off many of the Jews and hardened them because He no longer accepted them.

Luke 19:42 and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace--but now it is hidden from your eyes.

Mark 8:17And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet see or understand? Do you have a hardened heart? 18"HAVING EYES, DO YOU NOT SEE? AND HAVING EARS, DO YOU NOT HEAR? And do you not remember,

Luke 8:10He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'

John 12:40"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them."



Acts 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and the entire flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood.

Do you really want to keep saying all the Jews were the flock?

I let ALL of the Bible be true. You prefer a few cherry-picked verses filled with "your meaning".

You do not go let all the Bible be true, you have it chopped up with different gospels for different people.

You aren’t even supposed to put any scripture aside, yet you call it cherry picking when I show you a scripture that proves you wrong.

Who disagreed with that?

Because you said Jesus came for all the Jews.

 

[God's Truth]

I don't need to know how to... I don't do it. But you sure do.


Do you not understand FIGURES OF SPEECH?

That's too bad, because the Bible uses TONS of them.

I proved to you that not all sheep and that some were wolves and that is the lame comeback you give.