Jesus was talking to all the world, the Jews were false prophets.
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Jesus was talking to all the world, the Jews were false prophets.
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What's "still there" isn't Levitical Judaism, the temple's gone, just like Jesus said that it would be. He didn't "leave" anything "to Judaism", He promised that Judaism was going to end, and soon. Within His generation.
Certainly He made it abundant, whereas before maybe just a sage or prophet here and there experienced the Father in that way. He taught us to pray to Him, giving us a prayer, that we all can pray. That was new. There isn't any such prayer in all the Old Testament, for everyone to address the Father like this.
Christians believe in Christ's Resurrection and that He is the Son of God the Father.
Paul's "personal religious beliefs" include the Gospel of salvation by faith, though.
Paul, who went his own way, saw the core of the Jesus story as being the cross, “Christ and him crucified” as an atoning sacrifice for the sins world. That’s the theory he added to the pre-cross gospel that was already sufficient to salvation.
Religions don’t normally live up to the genius of the founder. A gallon cannot fit into a quart. After the genius is gone, in this case (Jesus, the divine son of God) the new religion that develops among subsequent followers and their progeny tend to bring the old ways with them which exerts a modifying influence on the ideals of the founder.
"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse.“
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Wrong.
Please document this "Judaism was going to end" from the scripture.
Why do you try to take what belongs to Israel?
If you're talking about the so-called "Lord's prayer"... that is completely inappropriate for anyone in THIS current dispensation to pray.
This is not appropriate: "Mat 6:12 KJV And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors."
This IS appropriate: "Col 3:13 KJV Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye."
Paul was given a dispensation of the gospel. It is NOT what Christ taught during His earthly ministry to Israel.
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Sheer speculation that opposes what Christ did through Paul.
Jesus called Paul.
Caino, the blasphemer.
Jesus calls a lot of people, billions! Paul just happen to be the first great charismatic evangelist whose teaching to the Gentile world drastically influenced the religion about Jesus that grew up after he left.
BTW, the second coming hasn't happened yet. Paul, who never knew Jesus, was never chosen as an apostle by Jesus when on earth. Paul went off to Arabia for 3 years and developed his own ideas. The church made Paul's words equal to Christs! I don't buy it.
Blasphemy was invented by the priest class to control people who disagree with their schemes.
The kind of men who rejected Jesus and had him killed, the same kind of people who wrote the OT, accused the Son of God with blasphemy simply because he spoke the truth to them.
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Jesus does NOT appear to billions. He APPEARED to Paul.
You love fairy tales. No wonder you love the UB.
:duh:
The "second coming" refers to Jesus' setting FOOT back on earth in a physical body.
Paul never knew Jesus during His EARTHLY ministry to Israel. Paul knew Jesus far better than you AFTER His resurrection and ascension.
Hogwash. You just keep making things up to suit yourself.
Christ gave Paul instructions. That you reject Christ through Paul is your own personal problem.
More hogwash.
You just love being wrong and telling fairy stories.
Jesus sent the the remaining apostles to carry the Gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven to the 4 corners of the earth without a Paul franchisee. The claim that you go through Paul is your problem.
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I said Levitical Judaism. Liturgy centered around the temple. Which was destroyed within a generation of when Christ said it would be.
"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" isn't about forgiving the eternal punishments for our sins, but the temporal ones. It is the only way, in any soteriology or hamartiology, whether Catholic or Dispensational, that this petition makes any sense, because otherwise in the wrong reading of it, men are capable of forgiving the eternal punishments of other men's sins. That's never been the case, and it isn't the case today.
There are all kinds of allusions and references in the Gospel accounts, to what Paul wrote about in his epistles.
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You cannot understand the various administrations of God.
The twelve were sent "to all the world" and YET they never left Jerusalem. There was a valid reason for that that you cannot understand because to do not rightly divide.
The twelve were sent "to all the world" and YET they agreed to restrict their ministry to ONLY the circumcision.
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A temporary situation.
That sound pretty bad.
If you would rightly divide the Word of truth you could understand that passage in its proper context.
Wrong... only if you FORCE them to "be the same".
If you cannot tell the different between their missions (the twelve and the one), you will forever be confused. That might be why you cling to Catholicism.
You are misinformed, the apostles did leave Jerusalem.
Matthew 28:18–20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Peter and Paul
Both martyred in Rome about 66 AD, during the persecution under Emperor Nero. Paul was beheaded. Peter was crucified, upside down at his request, since he did not feel he was worthy to die in the same manner as his Lord.
Andrew
went to the "land of the man-eaters," in what is now the Soviet Union. Christians there claim him as the first to bring the gospel to their land. He also preached in Asia Minor, modern-day Turkey, and in Greece, where he is said to have been crucified.
Thomas
was probably most active in the area east of Syria. Tradition has him preaching as far east as India, where the ancient Marthoma Christians revere him as their founder. They claim that he died there when pierced through with the spears of four soldiers.
Philip
possibly had a powerful ministry in Carthage in North Africa and then in Asia Minor, where he converted the wife of a Roman proconsul. In retaliation the proconsul had Philip arrested and cruelly put to death.
Matthew
the tax collector and writer of a Gospel ministered in Persia and Ethiopia. Some of the oldest reports say he was not martyred, while others say he was stabbed to death in Ethiopia.
Bartholomew
had widespread missionary travels attributed to him by tradition: to India with Thomas, back to Armenia, and also to Ethiopia and Southern Arabia. There are various accounts of how he met his death as a martyr for the gospel.
James
the son of Alpheus is one of at least three James referred to in the New Testament. There is some confusion as to which is which, but this James is reckoned to have ministered in Syria. The Jewish historian Josephus reported that he was stoned and then clubbed to death.
Simon the Zealot
so the story goes, ministered in Persia and was killed after refusing to sacrifice to the sun god.
Matthais
The apostle chosen to replace Judas. Tradition sends him to Syria with Andrew and to death by burning.
John
The only one of the apostles generally thought to have died a natural death from old age. He was the leader of the church in the Ephesus area and is said to have taken care of Mary the mother of Jesus in his home. During Domitian's persecution in the middle '90s, he was exiled to the island of Patmos. There he is credited with writing the last book of the New Testament--the Revelation. An early Latin tradition has him escaping unhurt after being cast into boiling oil at Rome.
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I was not saying that they never ever left Jerusalem.
I was saying that, during the time in question, they stayed in Jerusalem while Paul was preaching everywhere.
Why did these twelve, with what you seem to believe was a universal message, agree to RESTRICT their ministry to the circumcision?
The Jewish converts to the Jesus movement brought with them old ideas from Judaism. They grappled with what to keep and what to discard. The same can be said for the conversion of Greeks and Romans, the brought many of their old ideas to Paul's version of Christianity. The RCC is full of all sorts of old Pagan relics, holidays, tradition's etc.
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You just keep spouting your ridiculous opinions.
Paul does NOT have a "version of Christianity". Paul speaks Christs words.
Yes, but irrelevant.
The first Council of Jerusalem or Apostolic Council met not long after Jesus returned to heaven to discus circumcision's as well as other issues. You are overly dramatic when wrong. That would be called a tell in poker.
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It would be great if you gave us a hint at what you're talking about.
If I were wrong, you might have a point... but I'm not; so you don't.