only that the Colossians were keeping the Sabbath and Paul affirms that no one but the Body of Christ could judge them for doing so...as all these ARE the shadow of things to come...still...even after Pentecost...so the jewish false witness that Yahushua changed the custom was exactly that FALSE...He didnt change anything during the time of His life when He demonstrated the New Testament lifestyle before signing and sealing the testament...and NOW NO CHANGES...so of course there is NO DISTINCTION made between believing jews and believing goyim as ONE LAW was for them...and they were still following the shadows that ARE pointing to things yet to come...that’s a pretty good point I might add...is why the goyim were crowding the synagogues...and neither Peter NOR Paul said anything about these Shadows “ending soon...or in 40 years or when the temple was destroyed”
Makes sense that Yahushua instructed prayers be said that fleeing future times of trouble would not come in winter times or on the Sabbath as fleeing is NOT resting ya dig?
ok so there you said it yourself...these ARE shadows of things to come EVEN STILL
Is why worship on Sundays took 200+ years to become the new tradition...all those years after the new covenant was SEALED thus NO CHANGES...and yet there was one boasting to change both times and laws...imagine that...
because it was...if it was NOT then that would have EASILY BEEN TAUGHT EVEN DEMONSTRATED
you do realize that the jerusalem council was met to conclude what was expected of these goyim crowding the synagogues who WANTED to hear more...each Sabbath...
You do realize the 4 things were ALREADY required of goyim to fellowship and associate within Israel already when the church was back in the wilderness...and James concluded that this crowding goyim WOULD KEEP hearing Moses preached and read...AND WANT TO OBEY...because well the Holy Spirit was given to those that OBEYED and Peter made quite clear that Yah made NO DISTINCTION between believing jews and believing goyim Acts 15:9
Worshipping new ways on new days would be a distinction yes?
new husband new bride same taste in woman...faithful and obedient to the same list of terms...
Not one christian I know protests against no worshipping another god...or making idols...or blaspheming His name or dishonoring parents or not stealing or not murdering or not adulterating or not lying or not coveting...so how many is that? 9 yup 9 out of 10 but bring up the Sabbath and then its “AWWW HELL NO!...that is abolished...fulfilled...changed...” and if they are really MAD “that doesnt apply to me in this dispensations” or something LOL
Your NEW COVENANT was demonstrated and lived and taught BEFORE He died...what is so different about His life that does NOT fulfillthe OT LAW?
You think the NEW TESTAMENT COUNTERS PRIOR LAW? Suddenly its “OH whatever do what you want” as if a good parent would finally concede to the nagging brat...HARDLY...is the Law made void? CERTAINLY NOT! We establish the LAW so what is NEW ABOUT THIS LAW WE ESTABLISH? We get to steal? LIE...apparently
It was jewish false witness in attempts to slander both Stephen and Paul with claims they taught Yahushua changed their customs...LUKE was clear this WAS FALSE WITNESS because if they were teaching this it would NOT be FALSE but TRUE WITNESS...
yes putting a pork roast into your mouth means your heart and mind are already UNCLEAN to do so...you think the needle of a tattoo artist makes you unclean? Of course not it is the thinking of what to tattoo and where and by who and how much that already makes you unclean LONG before the ink is injected...
And Peter interprets and explains this vision not once but TWICE and both times he makes clear that it is about eating bacon....mmmmm...shell fish...but about about reaching out to the formerly unclean goyim...
But as it was already in the OT it was ONE LAW for native and goyim...but the jews had built new laws and new walls to keep the dirty goyim out...and preferred to keep the blessings and promises to themselves rather than making His house a house of prayer for ALL nations...now IN HIM the author of the new covenant it was AGAIN as it was before ONE LAW for native and goyim alike...new jew no goyim IN HIM...
NO DISTINCTION as Peter preached...why you insist there is? To believe jewish fables Titus 1:14?
To assist their agenda to keep it for themselves a monopoly to heal the world I am sure...tikkum olam...pretty much the MO for that conspiracy found in Judah...
Sabbath was made for MAN...not just jews...unless you believe man and not Yah...your choice
Preface:
1. Please stop using the term "goyim." It's offensive and I'm not the only person who's agreed on this.
2. Using complete sentences would make your writing seem more coherent and enable it to be more easily understood.
Body:
3. Please explain what you mean by your assertion that "only that the Colossians were keeping the Sabbath?"
a) Do you mean that every Colossian was keeping Sabbaths?
b) Or do you mean that at least some of the Colossians were keeping Sabbaths?
That's the only way I can interpret your statement, but scripture doesn't affirm either one of those meanings. I can interpret Col 2:16 to mean that at least some new Christians were attempting to keep Sabbaths, but from the words we are given that isn't necessarily in the church of the Colossians. Paul could have also been referring to Jews in Jerusalem who were judging against the Colossian brethren.
4)
You are asserting that the Gentile coverts were keeping sabbaths, holy days, abstaining from unclean meats, and who knows how many other Old Covenant of the Law of Moses, and that this was so common and understood that it is never mentioned.
the problem with your assertion is that it remains unproven and not backed by scripture or other historical evidence.
To the contrary, Peter calls the Old Covenant laws "
a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear" (see Acts 15:10) and instead of saying that the Gentiles shall be saved even as the Jews, he puts it the other way around, "
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they" (Acts 15:211).
Do not repeat your assertion as if it were accepted fact unless and until you can provide evidence. Otherwise you are just mouthing hot air, and it isn't convincing anyone (therefore, what is the point?)
5) Jesus did say to pray that their flight be not in the winter or the Sabbath. He did NOT say that the fleeing would be "
transgressing the Sabbath" any more than the fleeing would be
"transgressing the Winter." I trust that you have enough semblance of logic to see the obvious hole in your claim / assumption. Fleeing in the winter is difficult because it it cold. Fleeing on the Sabbath is difficult because the Jews close the gates to the city.
The focus was on fleeing regardless of winter or sabbaths. That passage does not lend support your claim.
6) Those shadows already fulfilled their purpose, and they were part of a covenant that God himself broke with the people. I don't suppose you noticed when we are told that the law was "
not the very image of the things" to come. God is not returning to earth to reestablish Mosiac law or the Old Covenant, that law is not the image of that which is to come.
Colossians 2:14-17 KJV(14)
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(15) And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon,
or of the sabbath days:
(17)
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Hebrews 10:1-2 KJV
(1)
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never
with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
(2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Notice that "the law" includes both the handwriting of ordinances and the sacrifices which were offered by priests. If you are saying that we should all be keeping sabbaths, are you at least consistent in saying that we should also be offering animal sacrifices?
For these are both equal parts of the law. I doubt that you are being consistent.
7) You have not demonstrated that the New Covenant is simply an extension of the Old. That is the exact opposite of what we are told in Hebrews 8:13, where the Old Covenant is even called "
that which decayeth and waxeth old."
The Old Covenant was decaying even then. That is not language that agrees with your assertion.
8)
You seem to think that it was significant that people met in the synagogues. It's not significant at all it's simply a time and place where people can meet, and a special place because there they can find the Hebrew scriptures.
They wouldn't find the prophets held in the local temple of Diana, and you go to preach where and when the people can be found. Just like when Paul went to Mars Hill, it didn't mean he had become a Philosopher, he went there to preach to the philosophers. So how do you preach to the Jews? You go to the Jews, Where do you find Jews? You find them in the synagogues on the seventh day. And where do Gentiles hear the gospel from? They hear it first from Jewish apostles and their converts.
You are making assumptions not backed by evidence. The Gentiles were told only to be kept from certain things. No mention of Sabbaths, yet they did find it necessary to mention to keep clean from fornication and things in blood. You're asking me to believe that all the Gentiles were "keeping Sabbaths" already but needed special mention against sexual immorality and blood? Sorry, that doesn't wash. It doesn't match with the real world and it isn't backed by scripture.
9) "
Worshiping new ways on new days would be a distinction yes?" No, not especially. Worshiping Christ was a distinction enough; the entire Christian religion was a distinction. Although I think you do not understand what Christ meant in John 4:23, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."
Days and places don't matter; worship in spirit and truth matters.
10) MAD is confused enough, leave the straw man out of it.
11) You don't seem to understand what the sabbath means, so I'll lay down the relevant scripture here:
Exodus 31:12-17 KJV
(12) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
(13) Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep:
for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
(14) Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
(15) Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
(16)
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
(17)
It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
You are not the "
children of Israel" and that "
perpetual covenant" has been broken. There is a new covenant that has been made and it does not use sabbaths as a sign that we are sanctified by the LORD.
Do you know what the sign is that we are given now?
Hint: it's not sabbaths, or special days, or special meats, or blue fringes around our garments.
11)
YES, "the New Testament counters prior law." Not so much counters, rather the former laws are null and void, not applicable outside of their covenant. This is basic application of law, all law.
Laws only apply in their jurisdiction, and only for the parties that they name.
If you do not understand why Christians say that we should not murder or worship other gods, now is the time to ask.
It isn't because of any of the TEN COMMANDMENTS. You should ask, because it doesn't seem you understand this.
12) Are you seriously alleging that "pork" makes the heart and mind unclean against God? Or only if it is roasted? Or willingly eating that which God gave to Noah of "
every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things?"
13) The Gentiles were represented by those items in the dream, but they would not have been represented by those food items if they were abstaining from those "unclean" meats. God instructed Peter that the Gentiles that were represented by those unclean animals were now clean.
God did not give instructions to the Gentiles to "become clean" by abstaining from meats or keeping sabbaths.
14) It is only because of your fallacious reasoning that "no difference" isn't sinking in with you. The Jew (of Jewish blood) was not to keep those sabbaths or the old covenants either.
The Gentiles weren't being called upon to change their customs to that which was Jewish.
Rather, both Gentiles and Jews were being called to change their customs to that which was in Christ.
15) God says that the Sabbath was made for a sign of the covenant of Israel. Christ's statement that "the sabbath was made for man" is to be understood in that context, and further that it is meant in contrast to "not man made for the sabbath." You seem to not understand this meaning. If man was made for the Sabbath, then the Sabbath is more important than man.
But it's not. The sabbaths are gone. The priests are gone. The temple is gone. The sacrifices are gone. But God kept man.