SABBATH KEEPING

[God's Truth]

In reference to Acts 21 it was YOU that said that "they" were trying to hurt Paul.

The Jews that believed were ZEALOUS for the law and would find out that Paul was there.

What is the big deal about them finding out that Paul is there? THINK, ANSWER THAT. What is the big deal about those believing JEWS finding out Paul was there?

In Acts 21:17-26, James shows pride in how many Jews were keeping the law (as Jesus taught them to do).
There is NO indication in the scripture that this is wrong. Paul says nothing about it.

Also notice that the "rules" that James suggests applied only to the gentiles per Acts 21 and Acts 15.

And?

This agrees with Acts 15. James did NOT say that the Jews should cease circumcision, but that they should not expect the gentiles to keep the law.

And?

Paul did NOT preach circumcision he taught faith in Jesus AND HE TAUGHT THAT TO THE JEWS and he SPOKE IT TO THE COURTS.

The scriptures say that the Jews went against Paul for that.

Notice that this "message" is SPECIFICALLY to the "the brethren which are of the Gentiles".

Again... I realize that you will understand none of this.

You don't understand, Mr."body part".

Those scriptures had NOTHING to do with James and the BELIEVING Jews of Acts 21.

You cannot think a logical thought.

You are the one who is illogical.

The scripture plainly say that many of the Jews WHO BELIEVE---that they were ZEALOUS for the law---and would find out that PAUL WAS THERE.

Now why would that be a concern?!

What did the apostles have Paul do to placate the ZEALOUS FOR THE LAW JEW BELIEVERS?

They had Paul show how he did some purification acts.

WHAT STILL HAPPENED?

The ZEALOUS JEWS TRIED TO HAVE PAUL KILLED.

Paul taught JUSTIFICATION THROUGH JESUS, and the Jews KNEW THAT IT MEANT NO MORE JUSTIFICATION THROUGH the works of the law that MOSES taught; which is CIRCUMCISION AND THE DIETARY LAW, ETC.

 

[Right Divider]

The Jews that believed were ZEALOUS for the law and would find out that Paul was there.

Why would Paul have anything to worry about from BELIEVERS that were zealous for the law? (as Jesus taught them to be).

 

[clefty]

Those zealous Jews for the law TRIED TO KILL PAUL.

oh my...you really think believing in Yahushua Jews were trying to kill Paul?

Where they also trying to put him in jail?

Acts 23 had Pharisee vs Sadducees ready to rumble so bad the Roman centurion had to send his men in to protect Paul...ONLY BECUASE Paul brought up resurrection...imagine if Paul WAS INDEED teaching what you claim "Sabbaths are abolished...every day is holy now...we can eat everything" you think Paul could escape...

Acts 23:9 actually had Pharisees AGREE with Paul about resurrections...you think they would dare side with a man who taught "Sabbaths are abolished we can eat pig now?" LOL

And then the next chapters in Acts until the end speak of Paul's life of persecution because OF THOSE JEWS.

Paul was NO BIG DEAL apparently

Jews in Rome had not even heard about any issues with him:

Acts 28: 21They replied, “We have not received any letters from Judea concerning you, and none of our people who have come from there has reported or said anything bad about you."

So you don't think Paul teaching Gentiles "you don't have to keep Sabbath...eat pig dog rat or whatever but still come into our synagogues and fellowship with us" wouldn't at least get ONE letter to Rome or a back story in the Jerusalem Times? LOL

Acts 28:22 "But we want to hear what your views are, for we know that people everywhere are talking against this sect"

But the sect they DO KNOW which sect? Acts 24:14I do confess to you, however, that I worship the God of our fathers according to the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is laid down by the Law and written in the Prophets,"

So Paul was faithful...and since even ALREADY IN THE OT when THIS ekklesia was in the wilderness and full of those NOT OF JACOB...it was ONE LAW for native and foreigner ALIKE...

as DEMONSTRATED by the ONLY LAW of the 10 which INCLUDED the STRANGER WITHIN THY GATES...REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY?

You really think Paul could say this:

"12 Yet my accusers did not find me debating with anyone in the temple or riling up a crowd in the synagogues or in the city. 13 Nor can they prove to you any of their charges against me." Acts 24:13 if He was teaching as you claim "Sabbath is abolished...we can eat pig now" LOL

Now you even claim believing in Yahushua His Ways Jews were after Paul...your reprobate mind imagines idolatries every day...

 

[clefty]

In reference to Acts 21 it was YOU that said that "they" were trying to hurt Paul.

In Acts 21:17-26, James shows pride in how many Jews were keeping the law (as Jesus taught them to do).
There is NO indication in the scripture that this is wrong. Paul says nothing about it.

Also notice that the "rules" that James suggests applied only to the gentiles per Acts 21 and Acts 15.



This agrees with Acts 15. James did NOT say that the Jews should cease circumcision, but that they should not expect the gentiles to keep the law.

umm that last part...

"James did...not expect gentiles to keep the law" so...you mean believing gentiles CAN:

kill...steal...covet...lie...worship another god...make idols...blaspheme His name...dishonor parent?

James did expect them to keep hearing Moses read and taught EVERY Sabbath Acts 15:21 in the synagogues they were crowding into...but maybe not KEEP the Sabbath Holy?

Seems kinda odd and awkward to have believing gentiles keep the OT Sabbath and sex laws...oh and dietary restrictions found for those NOT OF JACOB and yet NOT keep the other 8 of the OT Law...

 

[God's Truth]

Why would Paul have anything to worry about from BELIEVERS that were zealous for the law? (as Jesus taught them to be).

Paul as a Christian didn't preach for anyone to practice the old works of the law, neither Gentile or Jew.

Read what the scriptures say.

Paul was leaving to go to Jerusalem.

A man prophesied that Paul would get arrested.

The people Paul were with cried.

Paul goes to Jerusalem and tells of how wonderful it is that many Gentiles believe because of his preaching.

The believing Jew brothers say to Paul that thousands of Jews believe too---but they are zealous for the law and have heard that you speak against the law, so---

prove that you don't break the rules and regulations for the temple and that you aren't against what Moses commanded---so the Jews won't get upset.

Paul then does some purification works but the Jews see him and start then trying to kill him and Paul gets arrested.

 

[clefty]

Paul then does some purification works but the Jews see him and start then trying to kill him and Paul gets arrested.

Careful...what purification work?

and what did the Jews imagine Paul did?...you know allegedly?...

and were these Jews believers in Yahushua?

or those SLANDERIG FALSE WITNESS Jews you agree with and champion their false witness that "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered" Acts 6:13-14

You guys really have imaginations...

 

[God's Truth]

Careful...what purification work?

and what did the Jews imagine Paul did?...you know allegedly?...

and were these Jews believers in Yahushua?

or those SLANDERIG FALSE WITNESS Jews you agree with and champion their false witness that "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered" Acts 6:13-14

You guys really have imaginations...

Let's take it slower.

Paul went to Jerusalem and was excited to tell the JEW BROTHERS about all the GENTILES who have come to believe because of Paul's preaching to them.

THE JEW BROTHERS tell Paul about the MANY JEWS they got to believe too---BUT THEY ARE ZEALOUS FOR THE LAW---and WOULD HEAR THAT PAUL WAS THERE.

So then, they had Paul do some purification works so to show that look, Paul isn't against the law given by Moses.

HOWEVER, when the JEWS SEE PAUL, they tried to KILL HIM and Paul gets arrested.

Do you understand that much?

 

[clefty]

Let's take it slower.

Paul went to Jerusalem and was excited to tell the JEW BROTHERS about all the GENTILES who have come to believe because of Paul's preaching to them.

THE JEW BROTHERS tell Paul about the MANY JEWS they got to believe too---BUT THEY ARE ZEALOUS FOR THE LAW---and WOULD HEAR THAT PAUL WAS THERE.

So then, they had Paul do some purification works so to show that look, Paul isn't against the law given by Moses.

HOWEVER, when the JEWS SEE PAUL, they tried to KILL HIM and Paul gets arrested.

Do you understand that much?

I asked the questions you idolater…

you must answer...LOL

 

[God's Truth]

I asked the questions you idolater…

you must answer...LOL

Wow, relax, I'll get to it.

 

[God's Truth]

Careful...what purification work?

These works of the law, which are the purification works:


The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.

and what did the Jews imagine Paul did?...you know allegedly?...

The Jews believed that Paul taught that the purification works no longer purified/justified.

and were these Jews believers in Yahushua?

Many of them were.

or those SLANDERIG FALSE WITNESS Jews you agree with and champion their false witness that "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered" Acts 6:13-14

Paul says what? Read what Paul says to the Jews:


38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Acts 13


That is hard for Jews to understand, and they believed that is going against the law as given to Moses.

 

[God's Truth]

oh my...you really think believing in Yahushua Jews were trying to kill Paul?

Where they also trying to put him in jail?

Acts 23 had Pharisee vs Sadducees ready to rumble so bad the Roman centurion had to send his men in to protect Paul...ONLY BECUASE Paul brought up resurrection...imagine if Paul WAS INDEED teaching what you claim "Sabbaths are abolished...every day is holy now...we can eat everything" you think Paul could escape...

Acts 23:9 actually had Pharisees AGREE with Paul about resurrections...you think they would dare side with a man who taught "Sabbaths are abolished we can eat pig now?" LOL



Paul was NO BIG DEAL apparently

Jews in Rome had not even heard about any issues with him:

Acts 28: 21They replied, “We have not received any letters from Judea concerning you, and none of our people who have come from there has reported or said anything bad about you."

So you don't think Paul teaching Gentiles "you don't have to keep Sabbath...eat pig dog rat or whatever but still come into our synagogues and fellowship with us" wouldn't at least get ONE letter to Rome or a back story in the Jerusalem Times? LOL

Acts 28:22 "But we want to hear what your views are, for we know that people everywhere are talking against this sect"

But the sect they DO KNOW which sect? Acts 24:14I do confess to you, however, that I worship the God of our fathers according to the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is laid down by the Law and written in the Prophets,"

So Paul was faithful...and since even ALREADY IN THE OT when THIS ekklesia was in the wilderness and full of those NOT OF JACOB...it was ONE LAW for native and foreigner ALIKE...

as DEMONSTRATED by the ONLY LAW of the 10 which INCLUDED the STRANGER WITHIN THY GATES...REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY?

You really think Paul could say this:

"12 Yet my accusers did not find me debating with anyone in the temple or riling up a crowd in the synagogues or in the city. 13 Nor can they prove to you any of their charges against me." Acts 24:13 if He was teaching as you claim "Sabbath is abolished...we can eat pig now" LOL

Now you even claim believing in Yahushua His Ways Jews were after Paul...your reprobate mind imagines idolatries every day...

The JEWS had Jesus killed, they had Stephen killed, and persecuted Paul and tried to kill him---BECAUSE THEY TAUGHT THAT JESUS JUSTIFIES AND IT IS NO MORE OF THE PURIFICATION WORKS OF THE LAW as given to MOSES.

 

[Right Divider]

Paul as a Christian didn't preach for anyone to practice the old works of the law, neither Gentile or Jew.

He also did NOT tell the Jewish believers (like the twelve apostles) to abandon what Christ has told them to do... keep the law.

Read what the scriptures say.

Paul was leaving to go to Jerusalem.

A man prophesied that Paul would get arrested.

The people Paul were with cried.

Paul goes to Jerusalem and tells of how wonderful it is that many Gentiles believe because of his preaching.

The believing Jew brothers say to Paul that thousands of Jews believe too---but they are zealous for the law and have heard that you speak against the law, so---

prove that you don't break the rules and regulations for the temple and that you aren't against what Moses commanded---so the Jews won't get upset.

Paul then does some purification works but the Jews see him and start then trying to kill him and Paul gets arrested.

GT... it was NOT the law keeping BELIEVERS that threatened Paul..... that is STUPID.

It was UNBELIEVING Israel that was a problem for Paul.

Don't be SOOOO dense.

 

[God's Truth]

He also did NOT tell the Jewish believers (like the twelve apostles) to abandon what Christ has told them to do... keep the law.



GT... it was NOT the law keeping BELIEVERS that threatened Paul..... that is STUPID.

It was UNBELIEVING Israel that was a problem for Paul.

Don't be SOOOO dense.

ALL AND ANY JEW who does NOT believe that JESUS IS THE LAMB and is the ONE doing the justifying---cleaning are those who went against Paul.

I gave you scriptures that say there were Jews that were believers in Jesus BUT WERE ZEALOUS FOR THE LAW and that they WOULD FIND OUT PAUL WAS THERE.

Jesus told his disciples to do what the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to do because they sat in Moses' seat---BUT THAT DIDN'T stop the disciples for preaching the TRUTH that the law's PURIFICATION WORKS WERE WORTHLESS and that Jesus does the PURIFYING---JUSTIFYING---CLEANING NOW.

 

[Right Divider]

I gave you scriptures that say there were Jews that were believers in Jesus BUT WERE ZEALOUS FOR THE LAW and that they WOULD FIND OUT PAUL WAS THERE.

They were BELIEVERS .... BELIEVER don't threaten anyone!

Jesus told his disciples to do what the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to do because they sat in Moses' seat---BUT THAT DIDN'T stop the disciples for preaching the TRUTH that the law's PURIFICATION WORKS WERE WORTHLESS and that Jesus does the PURIFYING---JUSTIFYING---CLEANING NOW.

So you don't even know what it means to "sit in Moses' seat" ... that figures.

 

[God's Truth]

They were BELIEVERS .... BELIEVER don't threaten anyone!

³⁰ And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.

³¹ And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.

³⁶ For the multitude of the people followed after, crying, Away with him.

So you don't even know what it means to "sit in Moses' seat" ... that figures.

It means they enforced the old law for the temple.

 

[clefty]

Wow, relax, I'll get to it.

Relaxed just at work...some of us can't rest every day all day...

and you still haven't "got to it"...

 

[JudgeRightly]

That is what you are.

I explained that Peter acted out of line with the gospel because he was afraid of the Jews. Then you keep saying James tried to harm Paul.

I gave scriptures about the Jews that tried to harm Paul. Where do I ever say James tried to harm Paul? You just make things up.

They're not the same group of Jews, you numbskull.

The Jews Paul went to in Jerusalem are not the same group from Asia (what we today call Turkey) who beat up Paul. If you would actually pay attention to the scripture when you read it you would know that.

 

[God's Truth]

They're not the same group of Jews, you numbskull.

The Jews Paul went to in Jerusalem are not the same group from Asia (what we today call Turkey) who beat up Paul. If you would actually pay attention to the scripture when you read it you would know that.

The scriptures say ALL THE PEOPLE.

³⁰ And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.

³¹ And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.

³⁶ For the multitude of the people followed after, crying, Away with him.


Not only that, the reason Paul was doing the purification works was so that the BELIEVING JEWS would not be upset that Paul was in town, the one they heard preached against Moses and the Law.

 

[God's Truth]

Relaxed just at work...some of us can't rest every day all day...

and you still haven't "got to it"...

I do good work every day.

And I already answered your questions.

 

[clefty]

These works of the law, which are the purification works:


The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.

Ok so

strike one: the Nazarite law is not listed in your copy pasta and that is the oath Paul did...

strike two: the seventh day Sabbath is not a purification work...it was instituted while everything was you know...already pure..it REMAINS ONE OF THE 10

The Jews believed that Paul taught that the purification works no longer purified/justified.

wrong again...strike three...

just because YOU ARE obsessed with your idolatry does not mean it is in scripture...EVEN HERE in Acts 21

Acts 21:29 (They had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian in the city with Paul and assumed that Paul had brought him into the temple.)

GOT IT?

but you side with false witnessing Jews that claim "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered"

Many of them were.

ummm...how many? You have a count?

For weeks now you claim Jesus did away with shadows...apparently some believers now did NOT get that Email? WHICH IS IT?

lemme guess...SECRET KNOWLEDGE LATER right? LOL

Paul says what? Read what Paul says to the Jews:


38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Acts 13

that was in Antioch NOT Jerusalem and 8 chapters prior and how many years? Has NOTHING to do with accusing Paul of defiling the temple with a Greek...

That is hard for Jews to understand, and they believed that is going against the law as given to Moses.

EVERY TRIAL JEWS COULD NOT PROVE PAUL TAUGHT AGAINST THEIR PEOPLE CUSTOM OR LAW OR LIVED THAT WAY

oh and BTW:

JUSTIFICATION THROUGH WORKS IS NOT TAUGHT IN THE OT...


what is wrong with you? SERIOUSLY...it's like you NEVER get it...but your rebellion blinds you and makes you deaf and dumb...

the OT teaches FAITH FIRST and then works befitting repentance...one believes FIRST THEN obey...

you really think Israel walked out into the desert ON THEIR OWN expecting to be saved for it? They didn't even trust Him after witnessing first hand HIS POWER...

you really think Abram took his son and threatened to kill him ON HIS OWN expecting to be blessed for it?

you really think Noah just OUT OF THE BLUE SKIES started building a boat..."just cuz"...or think "I WILL MAKE IT FLOOD with this boat I build"

You really need to study and pray and well...maybe take a DAY OFF...

so sick and tired of how you and yours twist and abuse the scriptures..."NOT FOR ME" blinds the eyes AND HEART

you are just MAD and it is not even from much learning...LOL obviously