RSR's Annual Soft Tissue Show: The Deniers

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Jukia

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Sort of like needing proof that unicorns do not exist. Pay attention to the real world and it is obvious. Astronomy, geology, biology etc. show there was no world wide Flood a few thousand years ago. To believe in the historical and scientific accuracy of Genesis requires either ignorance or a fear of the Christian god or a desire to take money from people who are ignorant and/or fearful.
 
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Bob, are you insisting there is nothing unusual about finding dinosaur fossils that are not fully permineralized? Nothing unusual about recovering what are ostensibly heme and Osteocalcin remnants from dinosaur fossils? I beg to differ. The Schweitzer specimen find is significant insofar as it is unique in these regards. So unique, in fact, that it has never been observed before assuming these fragments are not of paleo-bacteria, but are genuine..

Typically dinosaur fossils are fully permineralized, that is the mineral content of the surrounding strata has leeched into and replaced bone with such completeness that what we have is essentially a rock cast of what once was. It is the absence of this permineralization that remnants of soft tissue (microscopic) heme and Osteocalcin fragments are able to be found. If this were simply a result of the young age of the fossil (as some YECs would insist) then why do we not find the same of other dinosaur fossils? Why are all other dinosaur fossils so completely and consistently permineralized? And at a rate higher than extant taxa? The fact of the matter is that whatever is responsible is an exceptionally rare occurrence.

The Schweitzer specimen was discovered in the Hell Creek formation of the Upper Cretaceous and lower Paleocene. These facts considered, suggests that it isn't the fossil that is young, but rather that it is the protein fragments which are old. Arguments that these fossils are only a few thousand years old, are a bit silly if you have more than a farcical comprehension of how fossils age is determined, or how fossilization occurs.
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Bob?
 
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Jukia said:
You are wrong, it is not my belief, it is fact---there was no big world wild Flood a few thousand years ago.
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You don't believe it but it's a fact?:liberals:

But you and your Holy Book claim there was and further claim that every living thing (well other than some insects and perhaps some other creatures without the "breath of life"___is that the right term) were killed in the Flood. That story then requires all human infants (your Book does not indicate any on the Boat) to be killed in the Flood. The Book claims your god caused the Flood. Your god therefore "knew" that to be fair. Nice god.
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Can you show that it was not fair?
 
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Daedalean's_Sun said:
The Schweitzer specimen was discovered in the Hell Creek formation of the Upper Cretaceous and lower Paleocene. These facts considered, suggests that it isn't the fossil that is young, but rather that it is the protein fragments which are old. Arguments that these fossils are only a few thousand years old, are a bit silly if you have more than a farcical comprehension of how fossils age is determined, or how fossilization occurs.
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The controversial discovery of 68-million-year-old soft tissue from the bones of a Tyrannosaurus rex finally has a physical explanation. According to new research, iron in the dinosaur's body preserved the tissue before it could decay...Dinosaurs' iron-rich blood, combined with a good environment for fossilization, may explain the amazing existence of soft tissue from the Cretaceous (a period that lasted from about 65.5 million to 145.5 million years ago) and even earlier. The specimens Schweitzer works with, including skin, show evidence of excellent preservation. The bones of these various specimens are articulated, not scattered, suggesting they were buried quickly. They're also buried in sandstone, which is porous and may wick away bacteria and reactive enzymes that would otherwise degrade the bone.​

Read more at the source: http://www.livescience.com/41537-t-rex-soft-tissue.html
 
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The controversial discovery of 68-million-year-old soft tissue from the bones of a Tyrannosaurus rex finally has a physical explanation. According to new research, iron in the dinosaur's body preserved the tissue before it could decay...Dinosaurs' iron-rich blood, combined with a good environment for fossilization, may explain the amazing existence of soft tissue from the Cretaceous...​
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Another possible explanation is that the fossils are only several thousand years... Not multiple millions of years.
The 2 year experiment with iron was a 200 fold increase of longevity... not the million fold increase that evolutionists believe in.​
 
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Some new articles on the topic:

Fibres and cellular structures preserved in 75-million–year-old dinosaur specimens

Soft tissue found in 75 million-year-old dinosaur bones is a big deal for paleontology

Wonder what dinosaur tissue looked like? Wonder no more

Scanning electron micrographs of samples extracted from ribs of an indeterminate dinosaur displaying mineralized fibres:
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(a) Amorphous carbon-rich material (red) surrounded by dense material (green). Scale bar, 5 μm. (b) Erythrocyte-like structures composed of carbon surrounded by cement. Scale bar, 1 μm. Fibrous structures. Scale bar, 5 μm in (c) and 1 μm in (d):​
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Some new articles on the topic:

Fibres and cellular structures preserved in 75-million–year-old dinosaur specimens

Soft tissue found in 75 million-year-old dinosaur bones is a big deal for paleontology

Wonder what dinosaur tissue looked like? Wonder no more
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The authors of these articles are desperate. They remind me of the guy in the psycho ward who thought he was dead. His doctor asked him, "Do dead men bleed?" The man replied, "Of course not." So the doctor pricked the man's finger and he bled. To which the man replied, "Well, what do you know? Dead men do bleed!"

"Well, what do you know? Dinosaur tissue can last billions of years!" :kookoo:
 
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soft tissue. My skin is "soft tissue", so is muscle etc. I read the abstract of the first paper listed in post #49. Is it the position of the creationists here that the paper indicates macroscopic pieces of soft tissue were found? Not sure that is what the paper claims.
To really understand one would need to read the papers. How many here have done that?
And how would we determine how old the dino remains are, without recourse to theology?
 
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Jonahdog said:
And how would we determine how old the dino remains are, without recourse to theology?
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Carbon dating. :up:

I remember one of my first-ever lectures at university: The professor said there was no fossil that was not 100 percent rock; everything found was mineralized.

Imagine if someone had told him back in the early 1990s that dino soft tissue would be found. :shocked:
 
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This is a false question as it assumes God isn't fair before we die; which is a fallacy. God is nothing but fair, from eternity to eternity. Always was, is now and always will be.:e4e:
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Ahem....roughly 30,000 children will die today and EVERYDAY from preventable causes under the watch of your "fair" G-d. Nice guy, this fella. :)
 
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