REPORT: The Death Penalty Debate - By Bob Enyart

[Freak]

Originally posted by Turbo
The choices were yes or no. Your "answer" didn't apply to the question.

Sure it did. Like I said, "You didn't like my answer."

 

[Turbo]

David was a murderer and an adulterer. Both crimes were punishable by death, but God forgave David when he repented, and did not demand David be put to death.

Is it therefore reasonable to argue that God abolished the death penaly altogether when He forgave David? Is that reasonable?

YES or NO

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Turbo
David was a murderer and an adulterer. Both crimes were punishable by death, but God forgave David when he repented, and did not demand David be put to death.

God was just in this, was He not?

Is it therefore reasonable to argue that God abolished the death penaly altogether when He forgave David? Is that reasonable?

God was just in dealing with David! Christ rescued Paul which clearly shows, that under the New Covenant, the death penalty via the State, was not something Christ was in favor of!

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
How can you say this?
Did not Christ offer to allow the men to stone to death, the woman accused of adultery?

He did? Did the woman die in John 8?

The fact that nobody was worthy, aside, God condoned it. He is clearly in support of it. [/color]

Paul was a murderer, Tye, why did Jesus not call for his death since he was a mass murderer? :kookoo:

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Now you obscure the truth, and run from the face of it.

I asked you a question..either put up or shut up--Paul was a murderer, Tye, why did Jesus not call for his death since he was a mass murderer?

That is no way to grow, Freak. You'll stagnate, and become luke warm.[/color]

I love and serve Jesus and have been since I was a teenager. So, it appears you know nothing about me and my walk with God.

 

[Turbo]

David was a murderer, Freak, why did God not call for his death since he was a murderer? :hammer:

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Paul, then Saul, became a repentant sinner.

So, if a murderer comes to Christ they can go before the courts and ask for a release from the death penalty because of their conversion?

You've been angry with your brother,

But I haven't been. So, moot point you have.

Back to my question: Paul was a murderer, Tye, why did Jesus (the one who created the death penalty) not call for his death since he was a mass murderer?

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Turbo
David was a murderer, Freak, why did God not call for his death since he was a murderer?

God was just in dealing with David as He was with Paul. Thanks for asking.

 

[Turbo]

Originally posted by Freak
God was just in this, was He not?



God was just in dealing with David! Christ rescued Paul which clearly shows, that under the New Covenant, the death penalty via the State, was not something Christ was in favor of!

Then why doesn't God rescuing David show that under the Old Covenant, the death penalty via the State, was not something God was in favor of?

I know your argument about Paul. I'm pointing out that you are inconsistent not to apply the same reasoning to David and others who were pardoned while under the Old Covenant.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
[We don't want you to pull a Zakath on us, we need you, when you are on the money, to debate some of the other atheists in here.

:crackup: How long have you been on TOL?

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Turbo
Then why doesn't God rescuing David show that under the Old Covenant, the death penalty via the State, was not something God was in favor of?

I know your argument about Paul. I'm pointing out that you are inconsistent not to apply the same reasoning to David and others who were pardoned while under the Old Covenant.

It's not a inconsistency. We are dealing with two different Covenants. Besides, God was just in dealing with both of them.

 

[Turbo]

If it meant God abolished the death penalty when he pardoned Paul, why doesn't it mean he abolished the death penalty when he pardoned David?

Even if God does oppose the death penalty under the New Covenant, your argument that Paul's pardon is conclusive proof of this is weak, because we had seen God pardon simililarly under the Old Covenant WITHOUT repealing the death penalty.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Turbo
If it meant God abolished the death penalty when he pardoned Paul, why doesn't it mean he abolished the death penalty when he pardoned David?

The New Covenant, as I explained to you before, does not endorse the State's use of the death penalty, so Christ was consistent with that message in the New Covenant.

In the Old Covenant, did not God allow David eat in the Temple when he was allowed to do so? God is more concerned about showing mercy and love and was simply just in dealing with David.

...because we had seen God pardon simililarly under the Old Covenant WITHOUT repealing the death penalty.

We have a superior Covenant in the New. The New has surplanted many things, Turbo. Were you aware of this????

 

[Turbo]

yes or no

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Turbo
yes or no

My answer was quite clear---it wasn't simply a yes or no answer. We're not in junior high anymore. I gave an explanation....

 

[Turbo]

So you SPECULATE that Paul pardon means the death penatly is abolished, but you don't even consider that a possibility when God pardoned David?

Still waiting for those pro-prison "redemptive justice" verses, by the way.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Turbo
So you SPECULATE that Paul pardon means the death penatly is abolished,

Nope. In light of the New Covenant's teaching, what Jesus did was consistent.

Still waiting for those pro-prison "redemptive justice" verses, by the way.

Is there a verse about the use of tracts in evangelistic events or how to conduct a marriage ceremony?

 

[Turbo]

Ah, so you admit your "redemptive justice" prison sentences are not scriptural. I'm impressed.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Turbo
Ah, so you admit your "redemptive justice" prison sentences are not scriptural. I'm impressed.

There is many nonessential issues that are not clearly taught in Scripture--how to conduct marriages, etc. But the priniciples for redemptive justice is clearly taught in Scripture.

 

[Turbo]

Show me. I'm especially interested in the principle that murderers should be locked in prisons.