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chrysostom

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are they still arguing around the edges?

ubetcha

like what?

-she is a democrat
-she has been divorced
-she should resign
-she should just sign it
-she should have seen this coming
-she shouldn't be working for the government
-the judge is a republican
-the law must sustain the right absent a secular argument that meets the standard.

what is wrong with them?

they have nothing to do with the issue at hand

what is the issue at hand?

religious freedom and judicial tyranny
 

ok doser

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So if the Court had ruled to exclude homosexuals you'd have called it a victory for liberty. :plain:[

rather, a victory for Godly Morality, a thing of which you are woefully ignorant

No one has a right to use their faith to deny anyone else their rights.

right, because the framers of the constitution intended to give american citizens the right to engage in perversity and immorality
 
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Totton Linnet

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So if the Court had ruled to exclude homosexuals you'd have called it a victory for liberty. :plain:

No one has a right to use their faith to deny anyone else their rights. Doing that isn't an exercise of religious freedom, it's actual tyranny.

Assuming they have a right to marriage, only the law decided that...now did the law makers have a right to decide? was there a great enough or urgent enough need? was there a consensus?

were other people's rights trampled on?

Was there adequate consultation?

The fact is bad laws have always produced bad results
 

Town Heretic

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Assuming they have a right to marriage, only the law decided that...now did the law makers have a right to decide? was there a great enough or urgent enough need? was there a consensus?
I don't agree with your premise, Tot. I don't think the guiding principle of the Constitution does either, really. We're a nation of law predicated upon a fundamental equality in right. We don't create right, only protect it, both from forces external and internal.

Sometimes it takes us a good while to recognize when we aren't living up to that principle and when our discrimination isn't serving a legitimate, definable and defendable state interest. That happened with minorities across the history of our country. Now some of that, most of it caused people real grief. Many people who opposed each change and expansion of that equality voiced sincere religious opposition, against everything from the abolition of slavery and the political liberation of women to the Civil Rights Act and the destruction of anti-miscegenation laws.

were other people's rights trampled on?
A right denied without justification would seem to meet that definition, however comfortable or uncomfortable we are with it.
 

chrysostom

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good morning

good morning

so what's new?

I am the only one at tol who supports kim

that can't be true

I am getting mocked for it

what about the homosexual haters?

you can't count them

there are too many of them

this is true
 

chrysostom

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do you approve of kim's lawyer?

no

why not?

he wants to talk about homosexuality

what's wrong with that?

he is arguing around the edges

what should he be talking about?

judicial tyranny and religious freedom

didn't jefferson warn us about that?

ubetcha
 

chrysostom

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so why did trump attack carly?

she is a woman

so?

women will elect hillary

is that why he attacked mexicans?

now you get the picture

will he get away with this?

no

then why did he do it?

to elect hillary

why would he want that?

it is a business deal
 

Eeset

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When Trump is President
he will insult Putin
and queen Elizabeth
and the Ayatollahs
and a lot more
 
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