fishrovmen
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Nah...it was already D.O.A.
Reconciled Unto God, NOT Predestinated
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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Nah...it was already D.O.A.
All of my threads including this one are doing very well. Perhaps you are the one that is D.O.A.
beloved57
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False statement not found in scripture!
The majority here are not Christians.
There has also been no kindness or grace extended.
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"God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
I suppose you think that is a false statement also. If the whole world has already been reconciled unto God, where does that leave your Calvinist religion?
musterion
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1. The apostle Paul was rather ungracious toward the unrepentantly false. Perhaps TOL isn't for you.
2. There's no arguing "for" contradictory truth claims. You didn't respond to that point.
It was predetermined that those in Christ would be holy and without blame.
beloved57
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The scripture isnt false, your statement was !
You misinterpreted my reason for joining the conversation. Without first love, then we are nothing. If this place as Robert states is mostly of non-believers, then even more so, if you are both Christian, your goal should always be first brotherly love.
I was responding to how Fish handled his end of the conversation, and acknowledging that Fish and Robert needed to add MORE to their arguments for they were looking around each other on their statements.
If WE as Christians are to make disciples, we should do all things through the cross of Christ, which is love. Truth matters more than life, but we are waging war against principalities that will emasculate our testimony if we stray from what we preach.
Paul as you cited as wrote 1 corinth 13 and he understood that if we ourselves don't represent the light of love we are cursed fig tree.
The posts in this thread have been about building confusion and animosity, and you won't find any truth by those means.
My hope was to show that the thread was so flagrant that it caused me to speak out. My hope is that that is cause for consideration as one speaking from outside looking in at how you represent us.
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musterion
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Back up a second.
Who are your brothers, and how did you become brothers? This is not a trick question.
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fishrovmen
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I may have been guilty of "jesting" with Robert (Ephesians 5:4), but not of exposing the unfruitful works of darkness (Ephesians 5:11). I see that you are new here, and maybe if you look at the myriad of threads Robert has authored, and how many different people have tried to have conversation, without success, you might get a better understanding of what has been/is going on. Welcome to TOL.
You understand what I am saying, you just don't like the answers.
The fact that God has reconciled the whole world unto himself by Jesus Christ refutes Calvinism 100%.
No one has been predestinated to salvation. But everyone has been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ so that now, "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Ephesians 2:15.
Sin has been atoned for, Hebrews 1:3.
Jesus has thrown the gates of heaven wide open so that all that want to be saved can be saved by doing nothing more than calling upon his name.
But that is just to simple for the religious, they want to be predestinated.
Maybe you can't read.
"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children"
Nothing about being predestinated into salvation. Predestination is in conflict with being reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
It is also in conflict with hundreds of other scriptures in the Bible.
beloved57
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Thats Salvation !
The devil has fed you a lie and you have swallowed it, hook, line and sinker.
beloved57
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Thats Right, Adoption of Sons is just another way of saying Salvation, one of the many aspects of being saved !