Without God's Spirit it is not possible to keep his law, the result is sin.
We can count the number of persons who didn't sin on one finger.
Christ agreed to be come a sacrifice for sin before humans were created.
Why?
Question: If God exists, why is there evil?
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Without God's Spirit it is not possible to keep his law, the result is sin.
We can count the number of persons who didn't sin on one finger.
Christ agreed to be come a sacrifice for sin before humans were created.
Why?
It's hidden in Paul's writings in which there are some things hard to understand.
It's a mystery why so few have not sinned.
You may never discover the reason.
glorydaz
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Then perhaps we were not "designed to sin" but designed to be one with God.
oatmeal
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Well, man that is Adam and Eve had spirit. They were body and soul and spirit. Isaiah 43:7. Adam and Eve sinned and lost that spiritual connection with God. All men after that were born spiritless with the sole exception of John the B who had spirit from his mother's womb, not even Jesus Christ had that.
Jesus Christ did not have spirit till it was descended upon him at his baptism by John
Man was designed to obey God. But man by his God given free will does not always choose to obey God.
We are not born with God's Spirit. That may not be our fault.
Christ agreed to become a Savior before Adam.
What kind of body, physical or spiritual?
glorydaz
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No, man is triune...with a body, soul, and spirit. You're confusing the Holy Spirit with the spirit of man.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Proverbs 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Proverbs 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
glorydaz
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Off track...........
oatmeal
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Well, believe what you want.
I received the gift from the Holy Spirit, which is given to me. I John 4:13
glorydaz
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I'm just showing you what Scripture says. It says man has a spirit of his own. You're talking about the Holy Spirit. Notice your verse says His Spirit. Read the verses I gave you again, and you'll see man has his own spirit.
Nang
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Are you sure of yourself, here?
Can you cite Reformers (Calvinists) that say what you say they say? :think:
Please consider this correction to your claim:
God predetermines what men will BE, which in turn determines what men will DO.
Yes?
oatmeal
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Where does scripture say that God predetermines what men will be?
oatmeal
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Soul is referred to as spirit because life/soul is spiritual, but it is not eternal life spirit, which is the gift from the Holy Spirit which is holy spirit.
Not by Paul.
oatmeal
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"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)
Spirit - pneuma, soul - psyche (mind), body - soma.
Three different Greek words with three different meanings.
From the Holy Wikipedia page on the British chemist and well-known atheist Peter Atkins:
| He appeared on a television panel about science and religion with Richard Dawkins and Richard Swinburne. When the latter tried to explain the Holocaust as God's way of giving Jews the opportunity to be brave and noble, Atkins growled: "May you rot in hell" |
I tend to agree, in regards to your statement.
Stuart
oatmeal
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Yes, that is right.
Three different words used to describe three different things.
Well, God's word is perfectly precise in how God stated truth, for God is perfect and is the perfect communicator.
So we must study how God communicates his himself in his logos, his message to us. He communicates in sundry manners but most notably His logos is by the written word, the logos in writing and within the written word by the life of Jesus Christ, the logos, the message in the flesh.
More specifically we must understand that our "knowledge" does not exclude God from using figures of speech or using words according to His wisdom and knowledge and understanding and His decision of what and how to communicate truths.
In Psalm 18:2 we see God describing himself as a rock (fortress) a buckler, a horn, a high tower. Is God literally these things? Nope.
Jesus Christ is referred to as the chief corner stone. Is Jesus Christ literally a rock, granite or whatever, that was used to build a physical building or is that a figure of speech?
We are called living stones, what does that mean?
God uses the phrase "spirit of man" referring to soul in 1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
God refers to soul as "spirit of man" for soul is spiritual but it is not the gift of holy spirit from the Holy Spirit. Soul is not the gift from the Holy Spirit. I John 4:13, which God gave, soul is not eternal life spirit, which is holy and cannot sin. Soul can sin and does sin, hence the need for a lord and savior and redeemer.
Maybe that will clarify this for you.
oatmeal
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God never uses evil to accomplish good.
We are not to overcome with evil, but to overcome evil with good. Romans 12:21
God is good always, He is light and in him is no darkness at all. I John 1:5
Evil is the antithesis of God's goodness.
Thank you, Stuart, but I prefer to be cremated not buried.