Porn. The Elephant in the room.

KingdomRose

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csuguy said:
What's your point? You realize that our marriages won't persist past this life, right? There's a reason Christ and Paul taught that it is best if you don't get married.
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I believe that married people will still be married after Armageddon, right into the Paradise Earth. Possibly, also, people who are resurrected will be able to marry in the new world. When Jesus said that in the resurrection people will be like the angels---unmarried---he was talking about those that participate in the FIRST resurrection......of the holy ones who will reign with him in heaven.
 
ClimateSanity

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KingdomRose said:
The Christian congregation is nowhere told that we must procreate. But Christian men are told to love their wives.

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave himself up for her..." (Ephesians 5:25)
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Be fruitful and multiply. That goes for christian congregations too.
 
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csuguy said:
Matthew 19:10-12 The disciples *said to Him, “If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.” 11 But He said to them, “Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.”

1 Cor 7:1-2;7-9 Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband... 7 [c]Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that. 8 But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. 9 But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

This is a pragmatic matter. While it is true that marriage is a good thing, it is also true that one who is married cannot devote their lives to God to the same degree that a man who is single can. He must provide for his family, worry about their material needs and desires, he must devote himself to their happiness, etc. For Christians, being unmarried means freedom to more fully devote oneself to God's will.

I disagree with Catholics making it a requirement for priests, but there are certainly benefits to it.
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Hogwash :chuckle: - I never married. I'm better than most men
 
jamie

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csuguy said:
There's a reason Christ and Paul taught that it is best if you don't get married.
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Yes, they had a simple reason, Jacob's people were about to be scattered to the four winds.

A time to love and a time to hate, a time of war and a time of peace. (Ecclesiastes 3:8)​

Israel was facing a time of war they could not win. This was not a time to start a family.
 
jamie

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csuguy said:
Incorrect - there is no general law against lust. Rather, lust is a perfectly natural desire built into us by God for procreation - which was his first commandment to us.
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Lust is internal based on a desire to please one's self. Love is outgoing based on a desire to please one's mate.

They are not the same.

With regard to sex in marriage your body is not your own. (1 Corinthians 7:4)
 
ClimateSanity

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jamie said:
Lust is internal based on a desire to please one's self. Love is outgoing based on a desire to please one's mate.

They are not the same.

With regard to sex in marriage your body is not your own. (1 Corinthians 7:4)
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Your definition of lust as regards marriage is hogwash.
 
Nihilo

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csuguy said:
Incorrect - there is no general law against lust. Rather, lust is a perfectly natural desire built into us by God for procreation - which was his first commandment to us.
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I disagree with your usage/meaning of the word lust. Our Magisterium does too, which is primarily why I disagree with you. They teach that, "Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes." (Source found in my post to which you're responding.) In that definition they treat the matters of procreation and physical unity explicitly, and distinguish those things from lust.
 
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Jamie Gigliotti

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Nihilo said:
I disagree with your usage/meaning of the word lust. Our Magisterium does to, which is primarily why I disagree with you. They teach that, "Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes." (Source found in my post to which you're responding.) In that definition they treat the matters of procreation and physical unity explicitly, and distinguish those things from lust.
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Defines the matter well. Spouses can objectified. A mean to fulfilling one's desires alone without regard for the spouse's will or pleasure, or unity .Is self gratification the only goal?
 
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patrick jane said:
Porn. . . It's what's for lunch. . . Today
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"Like a slab of meat hanging in a butcher's window." ~ Bob Enyart

Beef It's What's For Dinner
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~ Sam Elliott
 
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Nihilo

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While the Bible is silent on porn, our Magisterium is not:
Text 2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.​
 
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