Pops refutes the biblical concept of the Trinity
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Why do you resort to saying that instead of listening and discussing together?
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The Holy Spirit only says what Jesus says.
You want the scriptures for that too? I thought it was obvious.
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Notice no one addressing these scriptures...
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...because...ventriloquism?
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Address the scriptures.
glorydaz
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Poor God's UNtruth. She still doesn't understand the part about the Word being WITH GOD.
Zechariah is referring to the day of the Lord. God will deliver His people. Jesus is God. God is one being and three persons. The person of God, Jesus, was pierced as a sacrifice for the chosen, elect, people of God.
Zechariah 12:1-14
[1]This message concerning the fate of Israel came from the lord: “This message is from the lord, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundations of the earth, and formed the human spirit.
[2]I will make Jerusalem like an intoxicating drink that makes the nearby nations stagger when they send their armies to besiege Jerusalem and Judah.
[3]On that day I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock. All the nations will gather against it to try to move it, but they will only hurt themselves.
[4]“On that day,” says the lord, “I will cause every horse to panic and every rider to lose his nerve. I will watch over the people of Judah, but I will blind all the horses of their enemies.
[5]And the clans of Judah will say to themselves, ‘The people of Jerusalem have found strength in the lord of Heaven’s Armies, their God.’
[6]“On that day I will make the clans of Judah like a flame that sets a woodpile ablaze or like a burning torch among sheaves of grain. They will burn up all the neighboring nations right and left, while the people living in Jerusalem remain secure.
[7]“The lord will give victory to the rest of Judah first, before Jerusalem, so that the people of Jerusalem and the royal line of David will not have greater honor than the rest of Judah.
[8]On that day the lord will defend the people of Jerusalem; the weakest among them will be as mighty as King David! And the royal descendants will be like God, like the angel of the lord who goes before them!
[9]For on that day I will begin to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
[10]“Then I will pour out a spirit of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for him as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for him as for a firstborn son who has died.
[11]The sorrow and mourning in Jerusalem on that day will be like the great mourning for Hadad-rimmon in the valley of Megiddo.
[12]“All Israel will mourn, each clan by itself, and with the husbands separate from their wives. The clan of David will mourn alone, as will the clan of Nathan,
[13]the clan of Levi, and the clan of Shimei.
[14]Each of the surviving clans from Judah will mourn separately, and with the husbands separate from their wives.
Jesus is God. God is one being and three persons. Jesus fulfilled both Zechariah 12 and Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53. This is what God the Son has done.
John 19:33-37
[33]But when they came to Jesus, they saw that he was already dead, so they didn’t break his legs.
[34]One of the soldiers, however, pierced his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water flowed out.
[35](This report is from an eyewitness giving an accurate account. He speaks the truth so that you also may continue to believe.)
[36]These things happened in fulfillment of the Scriptures that say, “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
[37]and “They will look on the one they pierced.”
Colossians 1:13-22
[13]For he has rescued us from the kingdom of darkness and transferred us into the Kingdom of his dear Son,
[14]who purchased our freedom and forgave our sins.
[15]Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,
[16]for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.
[17]He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together.
[18]Christ is also the head of the church, which is his body. He is the beginning, supreme over all who rise from the dead. So he is first in everything.
[19]For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ,
[20]and through him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of Christ’s blood on the cross.
[21]This includes you who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions.
[22]Yet now he has reconciled you to himself through the death of Christ in his physical body. As a result, he has brought you into his own presence, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before him without a single fault.
[13]For he has rescued us from the kingdom of darkness and transferred us into the Kingdom of his dear Son,
[14]who purchased our freedom and forgave our sins.
[15]Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,
[16]for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.
[17]He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together.
[18]Christ is also the head of the church, which is his body. He is the beginning, supreme over all who rise from the dead. So he is first in everything.
[19]For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ,
[20]and through him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of Christ’s blood on the cross.
[21]This includes you who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions.
[22]Yet now he has reconciled you to himself through the death of Christ in his physical body. As a result, he has brought you into his own presence, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before him without a single fault.
Philippians 2:5-11
[5]You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.
[6]Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.
[7]Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,
[8]he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross.
[9]Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names,
[10]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[11]and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
[5]You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.
[6]Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.
[7]Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,
[8]he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross.
[9]Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names,
[10]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[11]and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
popsthebuilder
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Let's get something straight here.
The term "Body of Christ" is referring to Christians. It's not referring to Christ's flesh and blood body that he had while on earth.
In other words, "BOC" is not "Christ's body," it's a group of human people.
Christ is God.
The Body of Christ is not.
Christ's body is part of who Christ is.
popsthebuilder
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Let's get something straight.
Christ is GOD.
Christ is the Spirit of GOD.
I am talking about the here and now.
I'm am very pleased that you do not equate the material to the eternal.
My point exactly.
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So...according to you...Jesus is God and Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Does that mean...by your thinking...that Jesus was not human, but just appeared to be human?
If so, you are a gnostic.
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AND WAS GOD.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
When you speak is it you speaking, is it your words?
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The Body of Christ IS the body of Christ.
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A person has a spirit, and is their spirit.
God is His Spirit.
There are not three different Spirits and three different Persons.