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God chooses to whom that gift will go to, and He choose those who obey. See John 14:23, and Acts 5:32. See also Acts 10:35, and Acts 13:26.
Did you ever surrender up a payment for a gift?
Are you a Corinthian, or maybe a Galatian? Maybe you are Timothy, or Titus?
Did you miss this Faither?
LA
I did! I'm so used to people posting Scripture to support their arguments, i got into the habit of not reading them becausethey started the relationship wrongI don't believe it.
I have read the beginning and I have seen the same points made many times before here. The post is not a new idea here. Most of us who have been on TOL a long time have been over this subject many times.
You will receive more response when you openly introduce an idea. When who present your ideas as if they are original, many is us overlook it, as we have argued this before. This is why you receive nonsense responses, and some negative comments. you are not reaching anyone who cares to debate the topic when you present yourself as the most knowledgeable, which you are not.
No, I have no reason to argue with you. Did not sleep well and am tired today. If you desire to discuss Gospel of John and the use of the Greek word, pisteuo, I am sure you will find someone interested.
Gee.... you come in here and claim to "correct" pretty much every English Bible translation that exists!
I wonder why some people think that you might be a bit arrogant....
The Greek word "pisteuo". Probably the most important word that we will ever hear as called out ones. I consider this word to be the "secret of the universe". Because one day, God will reveal the importance of "pisteuo," and everyone will know it was right there in front of us all the time.
I beat this drum of "pisteuo ", because without actively exercising "pisteuo", no one can have the relationship with Christ that the NT talks about. An indwelling Holy Spirit, being in Christ, having Gods nature flowing through us, the word of God being ours to look at like a mirror, the mind of Christ, to be able to have that continual praying without ceasing. Without "pisteuo," none of these things will come to pass.
With those things said, what exactly is "pisteuo?"
"Pisteuo" is the Greek word, a verb, that's corresponds with the Greek word, a noun, "pistis".
When pistis and pisteuo were translated into the English texts, Pistis is where we get our word
"faith", the noun, was no problem. But when the translators tried to find an English word for "pisteuo," there was none. Pisteuo is a verb, An act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence. The specific act that the Greek word pisteuo needed to translate to English is, the vines: "A personal surrender to Him, and a life inspired by such surrender." The Strongs: "Pisteuo means not just to believe, but to be persuaded, to trust, to place confidence in, signifies reliance upon, not mere credence, hence it is translated "commit unto," "commit to ones trust,"Be commited unto".
Pisteuo is the word that describes, encompasses, and teaches us what NT saving Faith is. We should have had the words faither, faithing, and to faithe, for the translators to use when translating pisteuo into English. But only because they had no other choice, they had to go with believer, believing, and to believe. The word pisteuo and it's English mistranslations are used over 250 times in the NT. The words believer, believing, and to believe are only one third of what Nt saving Faith is. And building an understanding on any of these three words is not NT saving Faith.
Over the next few days i'm going to post on this thread,certain Scriptures with the vines dictionary meaning in place of the mistranslated words. It will be very hard for many to accept. But remember, this doesn't just affect you, your entire household and family will be affected by this.
Positive comments and good questions only. Please no, "I don't accept the Greek dictionary definitions."
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Those books are written to people LIKE me, whereas James is clearly NOT written TO me since it's written TO the TWELVE TRIBES.Are you a Corinthian, or maybe a Galatian? Maybe you are Timothy, or Titus?
GT, you are trying to live in the WRONG dispensation. You constantly quote the WRONG scripture because of that fact.Are you kidding? You will not be given the Holy Spirit UNLESS YOU OBEY.
Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."
Surrender to the Truth, Faither.
You will not receive the Holy Spirit unless you obey, for that is to whom the Holy Spirit is given.
:cigar:I have to go for now. I would like to come back and discuss more. You will not get a deeper discussion from anyone else. You are trying to send the one away that will give you the most respect and understanding.
What about you Right divider? Do you accept the definitions from the Greek dictionary for "pisteuo"?
If not, would you give me your understanding of the Word pisteuo?
I did! I'm so used to people posting Scripture to support their arguments, i got into the habit of not reading them because they started the relationship wrong.
Thats why i'm insisting that we start with "pisteuo" before Gods Word is ours to claim. Rom. 8:9 is a foundational Scripture that addresses us when we were outside of Christ or His enemy. It says that if we don't have the Spirit of Christ, Christ is none of ours. If Christ is none of ours, then His Word can't be ours either. So their has to be an action that can bring us out of the darkness, and present ourselves to follow Him. I'm not talking about adding to or replacing the "finished" work of Christ He did on the cross. There has to be one thing that starts the relationship, maintains the relationship, and completes the relationship here on earth. That is "pisteuo"! A personal surrender to Him, and a life inspired by such surrender."
Just to clarify, this is not my translation. I learned about this translation 30 years ago from my gifed instructor. (Eph 4:11-13) There are tens of thousands of His students who consider this truth to be just a fact of Scripture and build on it. I wonder why we never see them in these discussion forums? LOL
What about you LA? Do you accept the definitions of Pisteuo if posted out of the strongs and Vines?
You mean this?I need a reply from you.
Go ahead smart guy Bible correcter.Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
What about you Right divider? Do you accept the definitions from the Greek dictionary for "pisteuo"?
If not, would you give me your understanding of the Word pisteuo?
I need a reply from you.
Ya never mind, based on one of your replies to gods truth, i'm going to take back my invite.
If i'm wrong and you do want to discuss pisteuo, you can PM me as i will put you with the others whos posts i no longer read.