Are you trying to convince me there are tribes of Jews that are Christians but who do not fellowship with Gentile Christians? Are any of these special classes of Christians worshipping in their unique churches in America today?
Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did
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Did any of these unusual 12 tribes Christian churches exist past the first century?
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Of course you haven't, because there aren't any, because it didn't happen.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Conveniently not. It sure is easy to promote a lie when part of the story is that all the evidence is gone.
Right Divider
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What's with the bizarre terminology? What's "unusual" about the 12 tribes of ISRAEL?
There was a time (before the body of Christ) where there was the 12 tribes of Israel (to which God had a relationship) and the gentiles (which God had abandoned to their own evil).
Then, Israel rejected God completely (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and therefore, God stopped His dealings with them and started something NEW (i.e., a NEW creature). That is where we are TODAY. In the future, God will remove the body of Christ from earth and begin dealing with Israel and the gentiles again.
It's all in the Bible, you should read and study about it.
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Right Divider
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All of the evidence that you need is in the Bible.
There was no Christian church before Pentacost. There were no Christian churches of the 12 tribes in the OT. I don't believe there were any Christian churches of the 12 tribes in the NT.
Right Divider
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The "church" at Pentecost was the believing nation of Israel.
What about the "church in the wilderness"?
You are incredibly confused and impossible to communication with.
Just as there are no Jews or Greeks in the body of Christ, so too there are no males or females, bond nor free.
Their understanding of the body of Christ must make them wonder who IS in it?
There was a church, but nobody was called a Christian till some years later.
"Christian" was simply a new name for a still young church.
All those in Christ are one.
Right Divider
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I guess that your "Bible" only has one page.
Get a new one and read the whole thing.
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Thank you for the exhortation.
Which of my points do you see differently than I?
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
There weren't even 12 tribes then. Judah was still distinct (Judah had to be distinct in order for Christ to be of the tribe of Judah), but like nine of them we gone (they all dissolved into each other and became the Samaritans) by then. The closest thing to a church of the 12 tribes were the 12 Apostles themselves, as representatives of the 12 tribes.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Yes, although there is Matthew 18:17 so the oneness is spiritual when it's not visible and physical.
The church in the wilderness was the collective body of believers among the OT Jews. I do not believe there are two churches in the NT, one composed of Jewish Christians, and one composed of Gentile Christians.
Right Divider
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Just because the kingdom was split does NOT mean that the number of tribes was not still 12.
The divided kingdom will be rejoined in the future, once God removes the body of Christ from earth and begins dealing with Israel again.
Ezek 37:15-20 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:15) ¶ The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, (37:16) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions: (37:17) And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. (37:18) ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou [meanest] by these? (37:19) Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. (37:20) ¶ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
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Right Divider
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Yes, it was.
You are unable to be communicated with. You are attacking a straw-man of your own creation.
Right Divider
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This could help you if you read it and understand it: https://graceambassadors.com/prophecy/israel/what-happened-to-israel
I agree with this quote from your article:
The Prophetic Rise of Israel
The scripture is very specific to address the issue of Israel’s return. For in the same statement that we are told of Israel’s fall, we are told of their future return.
It is clear that at some future time, God will restore Israel and fulfill the prophecies concerning their rise and earthly dominion under God. But it will not occur until this age of grace, wherein there is no national distinction before God, is complete.
Agreed, although Matt 18:17 is dealing with those who are not of the church..
If that man won't listen to the church, he isn't of the church.
This was also before the time when we could actually be "in Christ".
So there was still no "body" of Christ/church.