At what point would you have left Hitler's army, or would you have stayed in it to the end.
LA
pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
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At what point would you have left Hitler's army, or would you have stayed in it to the end.
LA
If a man entered your house during the day what would you do?
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You are so funny.:crackup:
I was watching ID last night about small group of cult.
The leader reminded me of some of Pro-military Christians here, how they are making excuses to justify "just war" twisting the Scripture.
He said he is doing the will of YHWH and He is speaking thru him.
He did all kind of hideous killing abusing the Bible.
Some say Christians cannot sin and are sinless and many Christians support this claim..
This is the most dangerous and demonic doctrine.
The leader reminded me of some of Pro-military Christians here, how they are making excuses to justify "just war" twisting the Scripture.
He said he is doing the will of YHWH and He is speaking thru him.
He did all kind of hideous killing abusing the Bible.
Some say Christians cannot sin and are sinless and many Christians support this claim..
This is the most dangerous and demonic doctrine.
marhig
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How does that verse support the military?
I explained how in that post. Or did you not read the whole post?
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marhig
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What chapter and verse is this please, I put it in Google and it said Romans 13:1. But it's not the same as this as I can see. Thanks
marhig
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I did yes, but I can't see how you have got that verse to support what you are saying, Jesus is clearly saying his kingdom is a not of this world and if it were then he would have men to fight for him. But Jesus fights with the word of God by the spirit which is not of this world, he doesn't fight with weapons of the world.
Let me give you some other verses that tell us God not only tells us He likes the death penalty, but also that He instituted the death penalty along with a military.
Genesis 9:6 *“Whoever sheds man’s blood,By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man."
Romans 13
1 Chronicles 27:34 "Kings army"
Deuteronomy 20
Numbers 1:2-3 "every male ... twenty years old and above ... all who are able to go war"
Exodus 21
Leviticus 24
Numbers 35
Deuteronomy 13, 19
Ezekiel 13
Matthew 15
Mark 7
Acts 25
Revelation 13, 16
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Jesus said that His kingdom was originally planned to be of this world. Then Israel turned away from God, so He changed the plan, and instead the kingdom is now a heavenly one.
Had it been of this world, He would have wanted a military to defend His kingdom.
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marhig
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Hi I'm going through Jesus by the Spirit in the new testament. Because Jesus said that in times of old it was said an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but I say unto you love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those that curse your and pray for those that dispitefully use you.
Also thanks for the chapters, which verses in the new testament ones do you mean thanks
marhig
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I don't see it like that, but just say that what you are saying is true and Jesus' kingdom is now a heavenly one, then those who are born of God belong to his heavenly kingdom and they don't fight with weapons of the world but with the weapons of the Spirit which sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
Remember when Jesus said He did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it?
The sermon Jesus was giving in this passage was directed at the individual, not the government or the people as a whole. The law remained after His sermon. Do not murder, do not steal, etc. Nor did the punishments for crimes go away either.
The entire chapters.
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Correct. But again, just because it's now a heavenly kingdom doesn't mean that God now opposes a military.
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marhig
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But what I have said all along is that i believe that those born of God won't take up weapons of the world, we are to bring Gods love, word, mercy and forgiveness to others, following Jesus. I don't believe that we should bare weapons with the intentions of killing another human being. That's the way I believe is right before God and it's what Jesus taught.
As I said to GT if you want to and you get a chance watch hacksaw ridge, (it's a true story)after watching that, I can't believe anyone would think that there is no God. I would pray that God would give me the strength that Desmond Doss had when he went to the front line to fight with the love of God instead of the weapons of the world.
I'll will take a look at you PM later, I'm just out ATM.
On forgiveness:
Do you think we should forgive everyone regardless of the circumstance?
On "bearing weapons":
God gives the circumstances in which it is completely acceptable and unacceptable for someone to kill someone else.
See Exodus 22:2-3.
See also Luke 22:36
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