musterion
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Jesus is an eternal God.
Christ is a God?
The old man died and is no more.
False. If he were no more, Paul would have had no need to tell us to be putting him off. There would be nothing left of him to put off.
Jesus is an eternal God.
The old man died and is no more.
Or Patrick, is there more fear, as a person who knows they are saved realizes his salvation is not a licence to kill. But a much, higher calling, with tremendous responsibility. And although I know I am saved, as my adoption papers are signed in Holy Blood. I will, like all, stand before my Lord. Hoping I glorified God with what HE gave me, and spoke to me. My eternal rewards. A one shot deal . Fear of the Lord is the ultimate thing to hold in ones heart.
Salvation is trusting the Lord believing the one time event of the cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).Salvation is not one time confession.
Get saved.Get real.
Matthew 15:24 KJV, Romans 15:8 KJVYikes!
AMR
Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,We know from history that your premise is completely false. When John wrote his letters, his gospel and the Revelation he was living in Ephesus and was the pre-eminent leader of the Churches of Asia Minor many of which Paul had started some 30 years before.
And I'm glad you have taken the time to see that. One thing you might think about is that the baptism of John was for a specific purpose and time. After our Lord was risen from the dead, He gave Paul revelations that pertained to salvation by grace through faith. When we believe Paul's gospel, we are placed into the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit when He comes to dwell in us. That is not John's baptism of water. Others can explain it much better than I can, but I've been a Christian for a long time and I didn't really understand why things were different before the cross and after the cross....but they are and there is good reason.
I don't read, what I consider to be, long return postings. If you can
condense your thoughts to a few sentences, I'll take a look.
Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
6. John's letters do not deal with Judaism.
Naw, only the ultimate fulfillment of it.
Rev 7:4, 21:12
They (the Gospels and writings of John) don't concern the Gentiles nor the Body of Christ. So, whatever point you're trying to make, only concern the Hebrews.
I noticed that you use the book of John a lot, in order to make
your point. You do realize that the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark,
Luke and John) were written to/about the House of Israel, correct?
They don't concern the Gentiles nor the Body of Christ. So, whatever
point you're trying to make, only concern the Hebrews.
My intention is not to separate. I'm not sure what your point is as to me separating them.
Ok, I see your point. My understanding is the purpose of the miracles was to to prove that what the apostles are saying is the truth and from God as the last verse states.
Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.
If you will notice, the signs were done by the apostles and the only others able to do the signs were those they laid hands on. Here Paul wants to give spiritual gifts but it's obvious he has to be there to do it.
Rom. 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift, so that you may be established—
Once the word was confirmed and written down we no longer need the miracles. I like the story of the rich man and Lazarus to show that what we have written is sufficient compared to miracles.
Luke 16:31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
Thanks for the color help. For some reason I thought that was fill color and not text color.
The miraculous are the evidence of the Spirit of Heaven which accompanies all those truly sent by the Lord.
There is no cut off point to this---
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Act 4:24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
Act 4:25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
before Paul!
LA
MAD judges all non-Pauline writings to be no longer inspired by God
There is no contradiction.If it's stupid to be able to understand how the entire NT from Matt.-Rev. works and being able to see total agreement from one book to another, I'm fine with being stupid.
Is Redpill what used to be Damian? Sounds and acts the same.
nope man i searched for a good forum got this and registered just to discuss this topic.
You've been around us long enough to know that is not what any MAD believes, so you are a liar.
You've been around us long enough to know that is not what any MAD believes, so you are a liar.
It never ends, does it? People get some silly idea stuck in their heads and WILL NOT let it go. :nono:
When I quote Jesus' teachings and am told "that was for the Jews" (i.e., it's the "Jewish Gospel") what am I to conclude except that MAD holds that the Four Gospels (and all non-Pauline writings) are not for "doctrine" and "instruction in righteousness." This makes them irrelevant and obsolete. Very often we are told that they actually run contrary to the Pauline "Gospel of Grace."
I agree that what I said is not how a diplomatic proponent of MAD would describe their view but I do believe what I said is the bottom line. Non-Pauline writings are "for another people in another time in another dispensation." The Word is thus sliced and diced causing dispensations to multiply like rabbits until you cannot read and accept the words without layers of analysis.
This shows how out-of-tune MAD is from Historic Christianity which ALWAYS considered ALL the NT writings equally inspired and authoritative. For me to express MAD's doctrines in an extreme way is simply for me to describe MAD for the extreme view that it is.
If I have Inadvertently misrepresented MAD's view (which is really a conglomerate of different views) then I am sure you, or someone from that camp can correct what I have said. Before I accept that my remarks are inaccurate you will have to show me in what way they are. A simple denial is not enough.