beloved57
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You are a boaster, that's sin!
Original Sin and the Calvinists
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You are a boaster, that's sin!
Jerry Shugart
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Again, a person is saved when the believe the gospel of which Paul speaks about at 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
And there is not a single word about obeying anything in the gospel.
And so far you haven't offered anything which changes those facts.
God's Truth
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The gospel is forgiveness of sins through Jesus.
You have to ask for that forgiveness.
You have to believe what Jesus says, and that is to repent of your sins, or perish.
God's Truth
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Is Paul sinning when he boasts and tells us to boast too?
beloved57
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Paul is a believer in Christ but you aren't so no comparison. You teach that sinners Christ died for are lost.You deny Christ but Paul doesn't.
beloved57
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False teaching. You believe that sinners Christ died for are still lost and condemned,unforgiven!
beloved57
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False teaching. A lost person cant believe the Gospel because its hid to them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3
Jerry Shugart
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If you will actually read the verse you cited you will see that those who are perishing could have believed the gospel and been saved if they had not been blinded to it's light:
"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God" (2 Cor.4:3-4).
Why does Satan blind the mind of those who are perishing?
So that they cannot see the light of the gospel.
That means that if they weren't blinded then they could see the light.
But according to the false teaching of the Calvinists those who are perishing could never ever possibly see its light!
Jerry Shugart
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Why are you always perverting what the Scriptures reveal?
Salvation comes as a result of believing the gospel (Ro.1:16) and the gospel will be searched in vain for words which speak of anyone repenting of their sins!
beloved57
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Those perishing, the lost cant believe the Gospel because its hid to them that are lost ! 2 Cor 4:3
[FONT="]But if [/FONT][FONT="]our gospel[/FONT][FONT="] be hid, it [/FONT][FONT="]is hid to them that are lost:[/FONT]
Please read the red. It will read thusly:
[FONT="]our gospel [/FONT][FONT="]is hid to them that are lost:[/FONT]
Jerry Shugart
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Why would the god of this age blind the mind of those who are perishing since, according to you, they cannot see the light of the gospel because they are born blind?
God's Truth
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Jesus is the words/Word of God. What Jesus says is not vain, it will not come back to God void.
I can hardly believe that you are so ignorant.
The gospel is not, "Just believe Jesus".
The gospel is believe Jesus that we have to repent or perish.
You are ensnared, Sir.
Jerry Shugart
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I guess that when Paul spoke about the gospel at 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 he just forgot to include that!
The primary meaning of the Greek word translated "repent" is to have a change of mind. That means going from not believing the gospel to believing it. You obviously do not believe it because it fails to say anything about obedience.
Unless you change your mind you will perish!
beloved57
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Thats questioning Gods Truth. The Truth is folks that are lost the Gospel is permanently concealed from them. The word hid in 2 Cor 4:3 is the greek word kaluptó :
I veil, hide, conceal, envelop.
to hide, veil, i. e. to hinder the knowledge of a thing:
Also its in the perfect tense, so the Gospel is permanently concealed from them the spiritual knowledge of it. So how can they believe it ? They cant !
beloved57
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What jesus do you believe in ? You believe the j
Jesus of scripture died for people and those people are still lost anyways !
God's Truth
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Hahahaha We have to believe that Jesus says that we have to repent of our sins. You don't know what the gospel is. You say did Paul forget to say obey---but that is why Peter calls you ignorant, and unstable, and James says you are foolish.
God's Truth
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Why do you think the lake of fire was made? Do you think it was made because God just desires to send people to hell for not knowing any better? You wrongly teach that people don't know any better, but God says humans are like Him knowing good and evil. Your beliefs are not from God.
beloved57
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Why you think Christ lived and died and rose again?
Jerry Shugart
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I never said otherwise. I said that repenting of sins is not a condition of salvation. Instead, those who believe the gospel of grace are saved and that gospel says nothing about repenting of sins.
God's Truth
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Obeying Jesus has everything to do with obeying.
See Acts 5:32, and so many others that it would make your head spin.