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So how do you obey what Moses says?
Only Y-H-W-H is God, besides Him there is no god!
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So how do you obey what Moses says?
And after all that, you have not seen;
Matthew 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Matthew 28:19-20 New International Version (NIV)
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Right Divider
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She is willfully ignorant. Put her on ignore and your life will improve!
Prov 30:4 (AKJV/PCE)
(30:4) Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what [is] his name, and what [is] his son's name, if thou canst tell?
She cannot tell.
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Yeah, I know.
Sometimes I give th' doorknob a twist to see if it's still locked.
Ben Masada
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No need to try even twice, Steko. All you need is to read the gospel of Jesus close to as much as you do the gospel of Paul. Really as easy as I am telling you. Here is the text posted by Right Divider:
"Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what [is] his name, and what [is] his son's name, if thou cant tell?
His name is Yahweh, the Lord Almighty and, His son's name is Israel. Now, for you not to imply that I am talking right out of my mouth, I am asking you to read Exodus 4:22,23. "Israel is My Son; let My Son go that he may serve Me." That's right out of the Word of God aka the Tanach, which was the gospel of Jesus. Now, any attempt to individualize the Son of God from Israel and back into Jesus, it will be tantamount to add to what the Lord has commanded or to take any thing away from what the Lord has enjoined upon us to observe. (Deut. 4:2)
Ben Masada
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Really! Are you sure that, to talk to a "Jehovah's Witness" is the same as to talk to Orthodox Jews? After a dialogue I recently had with a couple of "JW," I never thought I would hear some thing like that.
Here is the debate I had with them and I entitled it, "Hit and caught before running."
Hit and Caught Before Running
Last week I met in the street with a couple from the Christian faction of "Jehovah's Witnesses" who, after giving me a pamphlet from the Watch Tower, the following dialogue took place:
"J'W" - Do you know that the Jewish Divine election has been replaced by the "Jehovah's Witnesses."
Jew - I don't think so but, where is it written?
"J'W" - Isaiah 43:10.
Jew - Take the zero off and read Isaiah 43:1 and see who are the real Jehovah's Witnesses. The whole chapter is about Israel if you ask me.
"J'W" - Better yet hear what John 3:16 says about Jesus: "Jehovah so loved the world as to give His only begotten son that whoever believes in him is saved." Notice that he said, "Only begotten son" which means that there is no other.
Jew - How about Exodus 4:22,23? Jehovah Himself said that, "Israel is My son; let My son go that he may serve Me."
"J'W" - Alas, that's Israel the people who has been replaced by us. But listen, although we have replaced you, Jews are very important to us. Here is our address; would you come to visit us at 1pm today and gave me their address.
Jew - Sorry but we are not supposed to be found within a non-Jewish house of worship.
"J'W" - What's the matter, are you afraid of something?
Jew - No it is not fear but a matter of Jewish culture.
"J'W" - Where is it written that you are not supposed to enter a non-Jewish house of worship ?
Jew - Naaman was the commander of the king of Aram and he was a leper. He had a Jewess servant who suggested to him to seek cure from Elisha in Israel. He came to Elisha and was told to immerse 7 times in the Jordan River, he did as he was bid and got cured. He converted to Judaism and asked Elisha to plead God to forgive him every time he had to help his master the king by entering the temple of Baal Rimmon to worship. It is from this event that Jews acquired the custom not to enter a non-Jewish house of worship. That's in II Kings 5:1-18.
Conclusion - That was the end of the dialogue as they would neither speak nor remove their eyes from me. I had to say good bye and leave.
beameup
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JW's are not a "Christian sect", they are Anti-Christ.
Their theology is that "Jesus" was the Archangel Michael.
They are "modalists" and "Jehovah" is the only God.
So, there is a bit of "pully-wooly" going on here.
Do Moloch and Baal sound familiar to Jews?
According to Daniel 9:24-27, your Messiah showed up around +/- 25 CE.
Where is he and what is he doing?
God's Truth
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That is not what modalists believe.
God's Truth
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You do not like it that I say God is One and He is the Father came as a Son in the flesh.
You do not like it that I say we have to obey Jesus.
You want me to believe there are three different and separate Gods, and that we do not have to obey only have faith.
Jesus says wisdom is proved right by her actions.
What makes sense, to say God is One, or to say three different?
What makes sense, to say obey God or it does not matter, and it will even make you self-righteous, prideful, and condemned?
That is what I am told here that obeying does.
Think for yourself and ask God if what you say it right or if what I say is right.
Elia
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beameup
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Perhaps God revealed Himself gradually, over a long period of time,
through the Tanakh by using various names and appearances
to mankind, as the Hebrew language is very "earthy" and "concrete"
and centered on the senses... and Greek is more apt at expressing
and conveying "abstract" and philosophical concepts (such as a "complex" God)? :idea:
GOD is one.
It has nothing to do with 'liking what you say' as if it is a personal attack on you.
I disagree with your interpretations.
The Father sent the Son. The Son did not send the Father. That's Scripture.
The Son suffered on the cross. The Father did not suffer on the cross.
It has nothing to do with 'liking you'.
The Lord Jesus was a minister to the circumcision to confirm the promises that GOD made to the Hebrew fathers concerning ethnic Israel, Davidic Kingdom and land. The Lord Jesus was born under the law. The Lord Jesus raised up Paul to be His unique Apostle to the nations and Paul taught only those things for the gentiles to have a relationship with GOD. He said that we are not under the law.
Show where I ever said that. That's Tritheism. I do not subscribe to that teaching and never have.
This, again, just demonstrates how little you really understand.
Paul says Faith is obedience for salvation.
You teach that works are obedience for salvation.
When John said that the Word was 'with' GOD, it implies two.
When John said that the Word was GOD, it implies one.
Taken together it implies two in one. One being 'same', two persons 'distinct'.
Doing good works in order to merit/earn salvation is self-righteous and engenders pride of self.
GOD's word is right.
Rightly divide.
Elia
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Separate, not separate, who cares. The simple and obvious facts are that a "God the Father" and a "god the son" are TWO (2) gods, and not one.
So separate or not, you are anyway an idol worshipper.
"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever."
Micah 4:5
Elia
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“This is what Y-H-W-H says- Israel's King and Redeemer, Y-H-W-H Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no god.”
Isaiah 44:6
If you had lived in the time of Abraham, would you have worshipped the Angel of YHVH?
In the time of Moses, would you have worshipped GOD's manifest glory in the Tabernacle?
Elia
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No.
I only worship the one and only true God Y-H-W-H who is one.
"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!”
Joshua 24:14-15
Exo 33:9 And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the LORD talked with Moses.
Exo 33:10 And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door.
Exo 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
beameup
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Israel's "King and Redeemer" made an appearance to Joshua just before the destruction of Jericho. Joshua (Yeshua) worshipped Him. Yeshua 5:13-15
"take off your sandals, you are on holy ground" - sound familiar?
Do you believe the only true God is a family? One family?
God's Truth
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What? you vomited at the fact that Jesus is God the Father with a body. You called it INCEST; HOWEVER, Jesus says we are HIS MOTHER, BROTHER, and SISTER. According to YOU Jesus is committing incest...and according to you he is committing homosexuality since he 'marries' men too.
Are you ready to apologize for saying such an erroneous thing to me?