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Don't you know what the very next scriptures says?
5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
That is what happened to ALL the people from the age of 20 and up.
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Don't you know what the very next scriptures says?
5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
That is what happened to ALL the people from the age of 20 and up.
Never said he kept the whole law...
what was he still missing you think?
circumcision? is only why he was still only a stranger...
or
knowledge of the hope and glory of Israel now known as Yahushua...
I mean did Peter lie when he was shown the vision? that it was actually about finally being able to eat bacon?
NO of course NOT...
Peter confessed a law was made making keeping company or going to one of another nation but then Yah showed him his error believing that NEW law made by men’s tradition...
IT TOOK A VISION
But it FINALLY got through to Peter that GENTILES WERE TO RECEIVE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...duh
So when was receiving that light banned to gentiles? IN THE OT? Hardly...even while THIS ekklesia was in the wilderness it was ALREADY full of those NOT OF JACOB...
in the OT already ONE LAW for both Jew and GREEK...see? NO MIDDLE WALL OF DIVISION OR ENMITY back then...
Peter says it himself “But in every nation whoever fears Him and WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS is accepted by Him” Acts 10:35
NOTHING there about circumcision and Cornelius and his house received the Holy Spirit...
because NO DISTINCTION was made as Cornelius was devout and Yah fearing and doing works of righteousness...
but you think that is worshipping another god another way or eating swine LOL
You are as deaf blind and dumb as the idol you worship...
I already said they fell into idolatry in the VERY SAME POST...
I said:
“BUT AS TODAY...some began to make up NEW laws and seek to worship Him their own way...claiming His were "NOT FOR ME"
and fell into idolatry...another gospel another Christ
maybe one like yours without gentile ancestors? LOL”
So He is STILL not pleased with those changing times and Law adding and creating NEW ways to worship...claiming His ways are “NOT FOR ME”...because they are MAD about the Sabbath...
Christians have no problems with
worship Him alone
make no idols
don’t blashpeme
honor parents
dont kill
dont adultery
dont steal
dont lie
dont covet
But just the SABBATH triggers REEEEEEEE!!!!....”NOT FOR ME!!”....
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The point was that you said God didn't command something He did.
It was about food which was about people.
The old testament has a lot of earthy symbols of the spiritual to come in Jesus.
Now why do you keep saying that when I gave you scripture where God says not to associate with them?
God made a new covenant where JESUS CLEANS people and it is no more about who eats what or who has taken a bath or sacrificed an animal.
The Gentiles could NOT go in the temple, they were not circumcised in the flesh and they didn't do the other purification works of the law. They were called UNCLEAN.
Ephesians 2:11Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.
They had to obey the law or die in the desert. Remember?
That is according to the NEW covenant.
You need to study more. I hope you consider more carefully.
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What is wrong with you? You keep saying they were all accepted by God but then you post scripture that prove you wrong.
They died in the desert even for just complaining.
You just make stuff up.
You preach to honor the Sabbath day, and admit that you yourself don't do it.
In addition, the new testament says not to judge anyone by a Sabbath, but you do and sin for doing it.
And, you try to be justified---made clean by observing the Sabbath---and the Bible says that shows you have fallen from grace.
You REALLY ARE AS DEAF DUMB BLIND AS THE IDOL YOU WORSHIP...
You completely ignored the fact I refuted each text you gave trying to claim the circumcised did NOT associate with uncircumcised. Called it “a bunch of words”...might as well be greek ones for one as RUDE and REPROBATE as you...
So here once again:
“Genesis 17:14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
this was to Abraham...
did he NOT associate with any other people?
or do business with them...LIE to them about his wife...
or REFUSE visitors?
No he fed visitors he received a calf in its mother's milk...
interesting visitors those were...NOT sure they were circumcised BTW...
oh and the food was NOT KOSHER.. LOL
Did you happen to EVER read Exodus 12:19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land.
These "strangers within they gates" also celebrated OTHER festivals besides the Sabbath...you know cuz they were "within thy gates"...
And look what ELSE is "IT WAS FROM GOD"
Ezekiel 47:22 You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners who dwell among you and who have children. You are to treat them as native-born Israelites; along with you, they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23In whatever tribe the foreignerdwells, you are to assign his inheritance there, declares the Lord GOD.’
Joshua 23:6 Be strong, then, so that you can keep and obey all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, not turning aside from it to the right or to the left. 7So you are not to associate with these nations remaining among you. Do not call on the names of their gods or swear by them, and you must not serve them or bow down to them. 8Instead, you shall hold fast to the LORD your God, as you have done to this day
So you think Cornelius was calling on the names of his former gods...or swore by them...or bowed down to them? LOL
Acts 10: 1At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort,
2 a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave alms generously to the people, and prayed continually to God
22And they said, “Cornelius, a centurion, an upright and
God-fearing man, who is well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation,
31and said, ‘Cornelius, your prayer has been heard and your alms have been remembered before God.
34So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,
35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.
yup their law...man's traditions...because they had enmity against the dirty goyim...built a middle wall of division to separate themselves from them...
and you would have FOUR woman in Yahushua's genealogy forbidden...LOL“
Peter said NOTHING about the vision being about food BOTH times he interpreted it...
Just like the New Testament has a lot of parables and teachings about spiritual stuff...NONE OF WHICH do away with the Sabbath...
because you add to His word...just like the Jews did to NO LONGER have strangers live within their gates...the texts you gave I refuted...as you would have FOUR gentile woman REMOVED from Yahushua’s genealogy with your MADE UP claim Israelites were NOT associating with goyim...
WRONG...and just like the OT when this ekklessia was in the wilderness already full of THOSE NOT OF JACOB and then HAD NO TEMPLE they did NOT LOSE their identity by NOT SACRIFICING ANIMALS...and they still ate NOTHING UNCLEAN...
again blind deaf and dumb as your idols you IGNORE Numbers 15:14-16 as it was ONE LAW for Native and Foreigner alike.
Yup He even called the circumcised uncircumcised...Jer 9:26
And as citizens of Israel foreigners NOW WITHIN THE GATES kept the Law...were given the Law...as specifically and uniquely stated in the Sabbath commandment...the only one listing their rights
ONE LAW both native born of Jacob and foreigner receiving Sabbath... yup... still sinned still fell... JUST LIKE TODAY...as circumcision and Sabbath keeping NEVER PERFECTED...
The Law was NOT designed to do that...but to point out the One Who can SAVE and regenerate...
SO? The discussing is Jews associate and do business and live with gentiles...and gentiles COME INTO the citizen of Israel...
BTW Nothing RIGHTEOUS WORKS in your “every day is Holy...eat whatever...never die”...is WHY gentiles crowded synagogues to hear MORE MOSES and not you every Sabbath...
yup...and sure...at least My Christ had four gentiles in His genealogy who associated and fellowshiped with Jews...
Your christ obviously does NOT...has another gospel another father with NO STRANGERS IN YOUR GATES rules and other changeable laws which can be applied differently at various times in various customs...very catholic indeed
They were accepted by Yah ON CONDITION...that they NOT do as you do...MAKE UP their own laws with claims there are NEW Law and ways to worship...
You too are complaining...about a day off...”NOT FOR ME...NEW LAW NEW LAW...I want every day off” LOL
nope go read the OT...they thought their golden calf was pretty clever just like you think your “THEY WERE SHADOWS” pretty clever too...
Or “it was NAILED to the cross”...or “there is a NEW law that abolishes the Old” or any other devised rationale your reprobate uncircumsised heart and NOT “inner Jew” Christ like mind can come up with...
even Paul admits the need to die daily and overcome and persevere and NOT do what the flesh wishes...
Paul was clear NO ONE is to judge the KEEPING of the sabbaths new moons food drink BUT the BODY OF CHRIST
YUP...blind deaf and dumb as the idol you make...
Can’t repeat it enough for you...we keep the Sabbath because we already ARE SAVED justified BY HIM...
Christians have NO problems with
worship Him alone
make no idols
don’t blashpeme
honor parents
dont kill
dont adultery
dont steal
dont lie
dont covet
But just “remember the seventh day SABBATH” and ALWAYS AND IMMEDIATELY it triggers “REEEEEEEE!!!!....NOT FOR ME!!”....
“YOU TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOURSELF...THAT’S JUST FOR JEWS...WE HAVE NEW LAWS”
LOL
you claim you abide in Him you must live as He does...ask John...
indeed WWJD? Certainly NOT Sunday ham after Sunday church...
ONE Law His Law for those OF JACOB and for those NOT OF JACOB...BOTH NOW IN HIM citizens of Israel...ALL adopted on condition
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How do you think that is going for you to call Jesus an idol?
Are you going to be ready to repent of that evil you speak, or are you going to keep being stubborn and say you are right and have done nothing wrong?
The BIBLE SAYS the uncircumcised is to be separated from the circumcised.
Don't be stupid---there was a dividing wall---the Gentiles were separate and without God. Stop going against the Word of God.
Abraham did NOT lie about his wife! She was his sister!
What are you talking about? There was no law of Moses yet when Abraham walked the earth.
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You are going against GOD who says the old law with its rules and regulations ARE NAILED TO THE CROSS.
Paul WAS LITERALLY DYING DAILY because his life was in danger and he was beat.
YOU ARE NOT DYING DAILY.
We are to die once to the sins of the world.
You have no idea what that means if you keep sinning every day and not overcoming.
You have proven repeatedly that you don't know the scriptures or God. I am trying to help you.
There are four gospels; Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I don't think you can argue with that.
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There is one gospel and those books are books about the gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Doesn't mean they are different gospels. It means different people speaking about the one and only gospel that gives eternal life. Just like the one and only gospel is given by Peter to the Jews, and the one and only gospel is given by Paul to the Gentiles. Same gospel given by different people to different people.
the another christ you made with a NEW law has and another gospel even has a father that LIES and changes his laws...your another christ lies too...he did NOT mean Sabbath was made for you...or to do AS HE DID but a new way...another gospel INDEED
Your christ is the Jew’s false witness version “changed the customs Moses delivered”
My messiah taught and modeled with His lifestyle the New Covenant way His “I CHANGE NOT” Father put
when THIS ekklesia was in the OT wilderness He was already its HEAD and it was already full of NOT THOSE OF JACOB...
READ the SABBATH commandment the ONLY one which INCLUDES these strangers within their gates...the irony
Still don’t believe?
Leviticus 19:14
The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God.
Exodus 12:49
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The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.”
Leviticus 24:22
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There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the Lord your God.’”
Numbers 9:14
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If an alien sojourns among you and observes the Passover to the Lord, according to the statute of the Passover and according to its ordinance, so he shall do; you shall have one statute, both for the alien and for the native of the land.’”
Numbers 15:14
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If an alien sojourns with you, or one who may be among you throughout your generations, and he wishes to make an offering by fire, as a soothing aroma to the Lord, just as you do so he shall do.
Numbers 15:15
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As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the alien who sojourns with you, a perpetual statute throughout your generations; as you are, so shall the alien be before the Lord.
Numbers 15:16
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There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you.’”
Numbers 15:29
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You shall have one law for him who does anything unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them.
Deuteronomy 1:16
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“Then I charged your judges at that time, saying, ‘Hear the cases between your fellow countrymen, and judge righteously between a man and his fellow countryman, or the alien who is with him.
Deuteronomy 24:14
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“You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your countrymen or one of your aliens who is in your land in your towns.
Leviticus 18:26
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But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you
Exodus 12:19
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Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land.
Exodus 20:10
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but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
Deuteronomy 5:14
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but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
Leviticus 16:29
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“This shall be a permanent statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls and not do any work, whether the native, or the alien who sojourns among you;
Leviticus 17:8
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“Then you shall say to them, ‘Any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice,
Leviticus 17:10
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‘And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.
Leviticus 22:18
“Speak to Aaron and to his sons and to all the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘Any man of the house of Israel or of the aliens in Israel who presents his offering, whether it is any of their votive or any of their freewill offerings, which they present to the Lord for a burnt offering—
Leviticus 17:13
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So when any man from the sons of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, in hunting catches a beast or a bird which may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth.
Leviticus 24:16
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Moreover, the one who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him. The alien as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.
Numbers 15:26
So all the congregation of the sons of Israel will be forgiven, with the alien who sojourns among them, for it happened to all the people through error.
How about this for fellowship and associating with the foreigner?
Ezekiel 47:21You are to divide this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners who dwell among you and who have children. You are to treat them as native-born Israelites; along with you, they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23In whatever tribe a foreigner dwells, you are to assign his inheritance there, declares the Lord GOD.”…
maybe you missed this:
Numbers 15:14And for the generations to come, if a foreigner residing with you or someone else among you wants to prepare an offering made by fire as a pleasing aroma to the LORD, he is to do exactly as you do. 15The assembly is to have the same statute for both you and the foreign resident; it is a permanent statute for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the LORD. 16The same law and the same ordinance will apply both to you and the foreigner residing with you.”…
How was that “exactly as you do” going to happen if there was a middle wall of division?
that wall was during the later 2nd temple period...I even showed you an example in a photo you reprobate blind...
NEW laws were added in later times to distance and isolate the Jews especially in diaspora throughout the other Nations...
You know NEW laws like the pharisess designed for the Sabbath which He ALSO removed...
of course it was...she was his WIFE
Had Pharoah KNOWN even he would have MAYBE killed him is WHY Abram lied...He endangered Sarai as she then was taken for Pharoah’s harem...ABRAM WAS PRESUMPTIOUS...OMITING INFO WILLFULLY
NOT having faith that Yah would protect BOTH to ensure the PROMISED SEED FROM THEM...HE LIED
EXACTLY...but CIRCUMCISED Abraham STILL ASSOCIATED WITH VISITORS...
not bothering to check if their penis was cut...
which PROVES circumcision was NOT to keep seperate...duh...
the irony that JEWS have to twist themselves to explain why Abraham was NOT a Jew and served NON KOSHER FOOD...because NEW LAW WAS given at Sinai...BUT with THUNDER AND GREAT DRAMA...not a secret whisper...mysteriously arrived at decades OUTSIDE of scripture’s time line...
THIS NEW LAW was for the ADMINISTRATION of the 10 IMMUTABLE ETERNAL PERFECT LAWS...
Having been added for transgression...new high priest etc
You think obedient Abraham would reject these as you do “NOT FOR ME...JUST FOR JEWS” LOL
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"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;”
“Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.”
God made the plan of salvation before He made anything, and He has not changed it.
1 Corinthians 2 6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9However, as it is written:
None of those scriptures say love your enemy.
The wall that divides Jews and Gentiles are the old law purification works.
I go by the scriptures, and the scriptures say Abraham explains how he did not lie:
“11And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. 12And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. 13And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother. 14And Abimelech took sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and womenservants, and gave them unto Abraham, and restored him Sarah his wife. 15And Abimelech said, Behold, my land is before thee: dwell where it pleaseth thee. 16And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved. 17So Abraham prayed unto God: and God healed Abimelech, and his wife, and his maidservants; and they bare children. 18For the LORD had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah Abraham's wife. “
Again, there was no law of Moses yet.
shoe doesnt fit thanks...but no thanks...
“Your own corruptions” sounds EXACTLY like your own “every day is holy...eat whatever...never die” which you deceive yourself with your own home made corruption...
Add to that:
“Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness” yup you forsake the right way His way and go astray like Balaam a divinator who spoke highly of Israel but later caused it to stumble...
...LOL...as if Paul would call what was given by YAH the TORAH as rudiments of the world...as though in Him we are living in the world under commandments of and doctrines of men...oh WAIT YOU ARE...you follow Jewish false witness doctrine...all humble and “every day holy in every way I devise”
yup...ONE ETERNAL LAW for both Native born and foreigner...as both are adopted into SPIRITUAL people Holy and LIKE HIM...as when He first made them...and gave them the Sabbath made it Holy...in that PURE AND CLEAN place...
The things prepared for those that love Him...to know it to love...to love as He loved nothing added or subtracted...things prepared the good things the shadows STILL point to...HalleluYah
LOL wasn’t addressing that...was addressing your “but but but the circumcised did NOT mix with uncircumcised”
You really are like a snake going back and forth and moving the goal posts with you...LOL
You really really really are that dense...your reprobate minde will absolutely NOT accept that since THIS ekklesia was in the OT wilderness with Him ALREADY the Head it was ONE LAW for those of JACOB...AND THE SAME for those NOT OF JACOB..the foreigners and strangers within thy gates like in the SABBATH COMMANDMENT the ONLY ONE TO INCLUDE THEM OF THE TEN
ALL THE FESTIVALS INCLUDED FOREIGNERS save one Passover...but unleavened bread INCLUDED THEM...
But now you claim these very laws DIVIDED Jews and Gentiles...when ACTUALLY THEY BROUGHT THEM TOGETHER
Strangers who received the SABBATH also INHERITED LAND...how much more together do you need...?!!
Seriously you are funny but seriously sick and twisted and absolutely reprobate to refuse what is written and what was DONE by Yahushua at the cross...
YOU CLAIM HE ABOLISHED THE VERY THING THAT BROUGHT THEM TOGETHER...
Your another christ another gospel is exactly abominable idolatry...
He did NOT reveal to Pharoah she was HIS WIFE...
BECAUSE IF IT WAS TRUE SHE WAS JUST HIS STEP SISTER IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OK FOR PHAROAH TO MARRY HER...BUT IT WAS NOT BECAUSE SHE WAS ABRAHAM’S WIFE
Yah Himself corrected the damage...IMAGINE IF PHAROAH HAD LAIN WITH SARAH and made her pregnant...YOU REALLY ARE SICK
yup and SO? You were prattling on and on about circumcised NOT allowed to associate with others...that GOD ORDERED THEM TO BE SEPARATE...LOL
And well MANY SCRIPTURE TEXTS LATER you still wallowing and returning to your own vomit that came out of your unclean self...your belly is your god’s truth
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He didn't lie since she is his sister.
Sarah is his half sister not a step sister.
You are calling Abraham sick.
Jesus taught to love our enemies. You keep going against that. You then got a bunch of scriptures to that don't say it.
Joshua 23:7 Do not associate with these nations that remain among you;
that’s like seeing a body on the road run over...true a car ran over it...but if you were asked “what happened” and just said that...but NOT that it was YOUR CAR and that YOU were driving it...well that is A LIE...
Admitting she was his half sister is like admitting she is a woman...to the issue it is NOT germane...
the issue was his WIFE and Abraham’s feared Pharoah would kill him to take her if he knew she was his wife and so he just gave his wife to him...did not protect her his marriage or the covenant promised to them..
If it was NOT a problem as she was NOT his wife but JUST his sister then Pharoah would have KEPT HER...
But because she was his WIFE and so even YAH Himself corrected the error...and Pharoah returned Abraham’s WIFE...not just his half sister...
right good you are correct thanks
yes him too...for NOT protecting his wife their marriage or believing Yah would protect His Own promise
You are defending him just handing his wife over to another man’s harem...wow
“Yeah but yeah but...she was his sister...”
makes sense if days are Holy to you that all women are available...LOL
righ because we can let other men love our wives...LOL
how does loving your enemy abolish any prior Law? Change any existing law...seriously?
Loving your enemies = new law = Sabbath was abolished by a new law all days are the same...LOL
I didnt cite you all those scriptures to prove the OT taught to love you enemy...but that to NOT HATE your neigbor within your gates for NOT BEING OF JACOB...
Your other argument before you moved the goal posts to yet another location was that circumcised were forbidden to socialize or associate with uncircumcised...and well all those text PROVED that already in the OT when THIS ekklesia this BODY was in the wilderness with Him as the HEAD it was ALREADY FULL of those NOT OF JACOB...
SAME LAW for both...not a divided body with separate rules...but ONE LAW...Like the SABBATH that makes you and so many other MAD to claim “NOT FOR ME AS THAT WAS JUST FOR JEWS”
if you would actually read the rest of the text you would HOPEFULLY realize that these remaining nations had their own gods and were NOT desirous to follow Yah and receive His Sabbath as strangers within Israel’s gates...NOR were these nations having their own gods devout to Yah or Yah fearing or giving alms to the Jews as was Cornelius...hopefully you read and realize that yes? I mean you miss soo much...
I fear you might miss the instruction that Israel was NOT to swear by these gods which were NOT YAH that the remaining nations had...nor was Israel to serve them nor bow down to them...as that would be NEW LAW...and well “I CHANGE NOT”
He is a JEALOUS GOD and hates when others ADD to His word...probably reminds Him of when Eve deceived HERSELF when she ADD “do not touch”...she LIKE YOU thought a NEW LAW would improve her obedience and please Him...
Oh boy were you both ever wrong changing both times and law...
Funny how YAH did NOT APPROVE of Abraham’s WIFE Sarah having a NEW LAW husband and returned her to her original Law husband and then years later in Joshua 23:7 we see AGAIN the SAME LAW...do NOT allow marriages with those that have OTHER GODS...
You really do miss so much...your reprobate heart MUST repent and stop going after NEW laws husbands or gods...
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You said that Abraham lied.
I’m just telling you that Abraham said he didn’t lie because she is his sister.
You are finding fault with me saying what the scriptures say.
I think you have been corrected by quite a few things from me.
So are you judging God who says this:
3 But God came to Abimelek in a dream one night and said to him, “You are as good as dead because of the woman you have taken; she is a married woman.”
And what about how Abraham still had to pray for them:
17 Then Abraham prayed to God, and God healed Abimelek, his wife and his female slaves so they could have children again, 18 for the Lord had kept all the women in Abimelek’s household from conceiving because of Abraham’s wife Sarah.
Do you think you should speak so harshly about a prophet of God?
7 Now return the man’s wife, for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you will live. But if you do not return her, you may be sure that you and all who belong to you will die.”
There was a change to the law. The Bible says.
It is what the Bible says.
Many church members wrongly believe there is only one Gospel in the Bible. Setting aside my own opinions, and anyone else’s ideas, we allow the Holy Scriptures to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that Peter and Paul did not preach the same Gospel.
Everything that Peter and the eleven apostles of Israel preached, they learned from the Lord Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry (Matthew 28:19,20; Mark 8;31; John 14:26; Acts 1:21,22). Galatians 1:11-18 makes it absolutely clear that the Apostle Paul did not receive the doctrines he taught from Peter and Israel’s other apostles:
Paul did not learn the grace doctrines from Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry either. In fact, Paul wrote: “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more” (2 Corinthians 5:16). The ascended Lord Jesus Christ (post-resurrection) revealed to Paul alone the “revelation of the mystery” (Romans 16:25; cf. Galatians 1:11-18). Peter, James, and John never used the expression “the revelation of the mystery” in their epistles—only Paul used that term.
How can we be absolutely sure that Peter and Paul did not preach the same thing? Read what the Apostle Peter wrote toward the end of his life (2 Peter 3:15,16 KJV):
For those who want to discard Paul’s epistles of Romans through Philemon and reject the doctrines of grace, they would also have to throw away the Apostle Peter because Peter identifies Paul’s writings as “Scripture.” If you deny Paul’s apostleship, then you forced to deny Peter’s as well! Furthermore, the Apostle Peter admitted that he did not understand everything that Paul taught and wrote. If Peter and Paul preached the same message, then Peter would have no trouble understanding Paul’s teaching. Peter did have difficulty in grasping some of the doctrine Paul taught, so it is only logical to conclude that Paul and Peter preached different messages.
Why did Peter not understand the writings of Paul? Peter could not and did not understand Paul’s preaching because Peter was an apostle of the nation Israel (Matthew 10:5-7; Galatians 2:9). Paul, on the other hand, was sent to the Gentile, non-Jewish world. Paul was “the apostle of the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13; Romans 15:16; Ephesians 3:1; 2 Timothy 1:11).
In Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8, Paul said that the Gospel of Grace is “MY gospel.” Why? The Gospel of the Grace of God was committed to PAUL’S trust, which is exactly what the Bible says in Acts 20:24 and 1 Timothy 1:11. According to Romans 16:25,26 and Ephesians 3:5, everything Paul preached—including the Gospel of the Grace of God—was “kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest.” The now there is Paul’s ministry—the revelation of the mystery was kept secret until God revealed it to Paul (which was after Christ’s earthly ministry, and after Jesus had already taught the twelve apostles of Israel). If Peter was preaching the Gospel of Grace before Paul came on the scene, as so many people claim, then both God and His Word lied.
Did Peter and Paul preach the same Gospel? Consider the following:
CONCLUSION
Confusion abounds when you mix the nation Israel with the Church the Body of Christ. Learn to “rightly divide” the Bible, separating Law from Grace (Romans 6:14,15), the prophetic program (Acts 3:21) from the mystery program (Romans 16:25,26a), just as the Apostle Paul instructed Timothy: “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV). All of the Bible is for us, but not all the Bible is to us or about us.
Anyone who does not see the clear distinction between the ministries and apostleships of Paul and Peter is actually unwilling to see the difference. The verses are in plain English, and no seminary degree is necessary. If you disagree with any of these verses, you are denying the plethora of Scriptural support, and you are arguing with God’s Word. Be not foolish, friend.
“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant” (1 Corinthians 14:37, 38 KJV). If you do not see the simple Bible truths contained in this study, you do not want to see them, and are being dishonest with the Bible and yourself. We conclude that one who ignores these truths is doing so in order to embrace vain church tradition and fallible denominational biases and interpretations.
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Everything that Peter and the eleven apostles of Israel preached, they learned from the Lord Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry (Matthew 28:19,20; Mark 8;31; John 14:26; Acts 1:21,22). Galatians 1:11-18 makes it absolutely clear that the Apostle Paul did not receive the doctrines he taught from Peter and Israel’s other apostles:
“11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preachedof me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by therevelation of Jesus Christ…
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’swomb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.”
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by therevelation of Jesus Christ…
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’swomb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.”
Paul did not learn the grace doctrines from Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry either. In fact, Paul wrote: “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more” (2 Corinthians 5:16). The ascended Lord Jesus Christ (post-resurrection) revealed to Paul alone the “revelation of the mystery” (Romans 16:25; cf. Galatians 1:11-18). Peter, James, and John never used the expression “the revelation of the mystery” in their epistles—only Paul used that term.
How can we be absolutely sure that Peter and Paul did not preach the same thing? Read what the Apostle Peter wrote toward the end of his life (2 Peter 3:15,16 KJV):
“15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
For those who want to discard Paul’s epistles of Romans through Philemon and reject the doctrines of grace, they would also have to throw away the Apostle Peter because Peter identifies Paul’s writings as “Scripture.” If you deny Paul’s apostleship, then you forced to deny Peter’s as well! Furthermore, the Apostle Peter admitted that he did not understand everything that Paul taught and wrote. If Peter and Paul preached the same message, then Peter would have no trouble understanding Paul’s teaching. Peter did have difficulty in grasping some of the doctrine Paul taught, so it is only logical to conclude that Paul and Peter preached different messages.
Why did Peter not understand the writings of Paul? Peter could not and did not understand Paul’s preaching because Peter was an apostle of the nation Israel (Matthew 10:5-7; Galatians 2:9). Paul, on the other hand, was sent to the Gentile, non-Jewish world. Paul was “the apostle of the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13; Romans 15:16; Ephesians 3:1; 2 Timothy 1:11).
In Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8, Paul said that the Gospel of Grace is “MY gospel.” Why? The Gospel of the Grace of God was committed to PAUL’S trust, which is exactly what the Bible says in Acts 20:24 and 1 Timothy 1:11. According to Romans 16:25,26 and Ephesians 3:5, everything Paul preached—including the Gospel of the Grace of God—was “kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest.” The now there is Paul’s ministry—the revelation of the mystery was kept secret until God revealed it to Paul (which was after Christ’s earthly ministry, and after Jesus had already taught the twelve apostles of Israel). If Peter was preaching the Gospel of Grace before Paul came on the scene, as so many people claim, then both God and His Word lied.
Did Peter and Paul preach the same Gospel? Consider the following:
- Paul is the only person in the Bible who uses the term “the Church the Body of Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:22,23; et al.) Peter, James, John, Jesus in His earthly ministry, and all the other apostles of Israel do not use the term “the Church the Body of Christ.” Grab any Bible concordance, and you will not find a single reference to “the body of Christ” outside of Paul’s epistles, Romans through Philemon. Why? Paul claims that he alone received the revelations and doctrines for this the Dispensation of Grace (Romans 16:25,26; Ephesians 3:1-9; Colossians 1:23-27).
- In 1 Timothy 1:11 Paul wrote “it [the Gospel of the Grace of God of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4] was committed to his trust.” Peter, James, and John are not mentioned in 1 Timothy 1:11. This “Gospel of the blessed God” could not be the same Gospel that Peter and the eleven preached. Otherwise Paul would have said “committed to our trust,” indicating Israel’s apostles too. Paul wrote that this Gospel of the blessed God was committed to his trust because it was committed to his trust alone. In Galatians 2:2, Paul says “I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them [Peter, James, John; verse 9] that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles….” Evidently, Paul shared with James, Peter, and John something they had not previously known. Indeed, Paul and Peter preached two different Gospels!
- Look at Galatians 2:7,8 KJV: “7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
.” Do you see that there are two Gospels in that verse alone? A Gospel of the Circumcision (the Jews’ Gospel of the Kingdom), and a Gospel of the Uncircumcision (the Gentiles’ Gospel of God’s Grace). You do not find any reference to “the Gospel of the Kingdom” in Paul’s books. Outside of Paul’s ministry, you do not find “the Gospel of the Grace of God.” There are two separate Gospels here: one which God entrusted to Paul’s apostleship and one which God entrusted to Peter and the eleven’s apostleship. There is nothing complicated or contradictory as long as you keep them separate! - Who laid the foundation of the Christian faith for this the Dispensation of the Grace of God? THE APOSTLE PAUL! Jesus Christ is the foundation, but Paul is the “wise masterbuilder” (architect) who laid the foundation Jesus Christ, His death, His burial, and His resurrection as means for salvation (1 Corinthians 3:10,11).
- Notice 1 Timothy 1:15,16 KJV: “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.” A pattern is the first, and the Holy Spirit says that Paul is our pattern. He was the first to get placed into the Church Body of Christ—the “hereafter” refers to people who get saved after Paul. The word “chief” implies Paul is the first, the primary one, and the head of the line (see “chief” in Acts 14:12, Luke 22:26, Acts 28:7 where “chief” means “first, main.”) Because Paul is our pattern for this dispensation, the Holy Spirit tells us to follow Paul as he follows Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1; cf. 1 Corinthians 4:16; Ephesians 5:1; Philippians 3:17; 1 Thessalonians 1:6). There is no command to follow Peter, James, or John in the Bible. Why? Remember, Paul is “the apostle of the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13 KJV; Romans 15:16; 2 Timothy 1:11). Remember, James, Peter, and John were apostles of Israel (Matthew 10:5-7; Matthew 19:27,28; Galatians 2:9).
- When the nation Israel asked the Apostle Peter, “What must we do to be saved?,” notice Peter’s answer: “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Acts 2:38; cf. Acts 3:19). However, when the Philippian jailor asked Paul and Silas, “What must I do to be saved?,” notice what Paul and Silas declared: “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house” (Acts 16:31). Obviously, these are not the same message. Peter told people to repent and then get water baptized, so they could receive forgiveness of sins and receive the Holy Spirit. Yet, Paul simply taught that salvation comes by “believing on [trusting] the Lord Jesus Christ,” without any reference to water baptism or repentance. If words mean anything, Peter and Paul preached two separate Gospels.
CONCLUSION
Confusion abounds when you mix the nation Israel with the Church the Body of Christ. Learn to “rightly divide” the Bible, separating Law from Grace (Romans 6:14,15), the prophetic program (Acts 3:21) from the mystery program (Romans 16:25,26a), just as the Apostle Paul instructed Timothy: “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV). All of the Bible is for us, but not all the Bible is to us or about us.
Anyone who does not see the clear distinction between the ministries and apostleships of Paul and Peter is actually unwilling to see the difference. The verses are in plain English, and no seminary degree is necessary. If you disagree with any of these verses, you are denying the plethora of Scriptural support, and you are arguing with God’s Word. Be not foolish, friend.
“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant” (1 Corinthians 14:37, 38 KJV). If you do not see the simple Bible truths contained in this study, you do not want to see them, and are being dishonest with the Bible and yourself. We conclude that one who ignores these truths is doing so in order to embrace vain church tradition and fallible denominational biases and interpretations.
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and Yah told the truth to correct Abraham’s sin of omission...
And he had her conspire with him to play this deception...
NOT in this story with Pharoah... Abram didn’t say he didn’t lie...certainly gave his wife away...Yah corrected it and Pharoah acknowledge she was his wife NOT sister...and gave her back as his wife...as Abram knew they would know she was his wife...
what? that Abram deceived Pharoah...says it right there...IS WHY Yah plagued Pharoah for taking his wife NOT sister...
Not my fault you conflate the two times Abram was deceptive...
yes...I thought you would be reasonable logical and honest...you corrected that a long time ago...
I thought you were a follower of Him and wanted to love and know Him more...you corrected me that too
I certainly thought you were God’s Truth...I mean it’s in your name right? and the way your jump around in TOL telling people they must obey...well at least 9/10ths of the law is what you corrected me on...but you keep many others besides...just not dietary/or keep yourself clean...gross
LOL...I was talking about Pharoah’s being deceived...
But yes as with Pharoah Yah is yet again correcting a deceptive omission on Abram’s part by telling the truth about Sarah.
what about? 1000 peices of silver to PROVE he didn’t touch her...LOL we can see why Abram was richly blessed...
and so? Poor Abemileck got duped even had to PAY...luckily Yah corrected it all and motivated Abimelech to return Sara untouched even though he was deceived...
sure...Yah uses our failures to teach us all the time...of course you learned it is ok to LIE...normal people read this and go...that aint cool lying to Abimelech...happily his land remained fertile as Israel still had some learning to do...
yup...of the law of Priesthood...and administration...but you wish it to be a change of the Sabbath and ONLY that one...LOL
yup you corrected me again...thought logic would prevail with you...you know come let us reason...
But you equating loving your enemies = sabbath is abolished is a new low...
Yup you corrected me again...I was thinking maybe this is worth my time...
even He gave up on reprobate idolators that added to His Word...I should follow Him more closely in this too
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Okay then, let's go at it.
Paul is explaining that he, like Peter and the other apostles learned from Jesus Christ---just as they did, except after Jesus had ascended.
Paul is explaining that he is an apostle too, taught first hand by Jesus.
It is still the same doctrines.
So far, all you have done is inject your beliefs that Paul was taught a different gospel. No such thing.
Jesus taught the mystery to his apostles that were with him when he walked the earth, and the same mysteries to Paul later.
Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Peter does NOT say that! Peter says the UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE don't understand.
What do you think Peter is talking about in 2 Peter 3:16 and 17 that causes him to talk about Paul? I'll tell you, it is that people were misunderstanding Paul about 'not of works'. The people were thinking Paul was saying faith alone and no works save as in faith and nothing else. However, Paul teaches faith and not of works of the law, which are the purification works. Peter says the unlearned and unstable misunderstand Paul---AND THEN PETER WARNS the people TO OBEY.
Again, Peter does not say he has trouble understanding what Paul is preaching.
Here Peter speaks of obeying the Lord and how it is salvation, and even PAUL preaches it...
14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
...as he does in all his epistles, he speaks OF OBEYING, but some things are hard to be understood by the UNLEARNED AND UNSTABLE, just as they do the other scriptures.
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
And then what does Peter say?
Peter says don't be led astray by wicked men---MEN WHO DON'T OBEY.
17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
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