OK Supreme Court: 10 Commandments must come down

patrick jane

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Jose Fly said:
Atheists are compelled to have no other Gods except the Christian God?
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If atheists take out the commandments about worshiping God and followed the behavioral and wisdom aspects of the commandments; love etc. it would make a better world. the world would be a better place - LOL
 
genuineoriginal

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gcthomas said:
From your point of view, everything is under God. It doesn't then follow that secularism cannot exist.

"Under God" doesn't mean "owing Christians special favours". "Under God" doesn't specify whose God. Even the founders didn't agree as to the nature of God, which is rather the point, isn't it? No-one can agree, and it isn't the government's role to decide for them.
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You didn't answer the question.

Could you provide the date when the government changed from being a government under God to a secular government?
 
gcthomas

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genuineoriginal said:
You didn't answer the question.

Could you provide the date when the government changed from being a government under God to a secular government?
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Changing the words of the pledge of allegiance doesn't change the nature of the government, does it? And the under God part is voluntary under the Constitution.
 
gcthomas

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genuineoriginal said:
No, so people of your ilk trying to take the words "Under God" out of the pledge of allegiance doesn't change it.
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I haven't tried to take it out, so you're wrong there.

What I said is that having a law to change the pledge of allegiance doesn't change the constitution. Especially when the constitution seems to hold that the 'under God' part is optional.
 
genuineoriginal

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Jose Fly said:
So where does the Constitution (the document that provides the framework for the federal government) dictate that the government be "under God"?
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Where does it dictate that the government is not "under God"?

The courts have ruled that 'Under God' and 'In God We Trust' are ideals that our Republic are founded upon.
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Court: 'Under God' and 'In God We Trust' are constitutional

The phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. money do not violate the Constitution's separation of church and state, a federal appeals court panel has ruled in San Francisco.

"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."
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genuineoriginal said:
No, the type of government we have is what dictated the motto on the coins.

(Jose Fly really is a moron)
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So, when the Constitution bans religious tests for office, that makes the US government, what exactly? And why is it that "One nation under God" was added to the coins so recently if it flows directly from the Constitution?
 
Jose Fly

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genuineoriginal said:
Where does it dictate that the government is not "under God"?
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So you admit that the Constitution does not dictate that the federal government be "under God".

The phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. money do not violate the Constitution's separation of church and state, a federal appeals court panel has ruled in San Francisco.
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Got news for ya....pledges and mottoes are not mandates.
 
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