Ah well, 51 posts and I still don't have an edit button.
I'll just have to make sure I'm right the first time.
Zenn
You can ask Knight or Sherman about it.
Ah well, 51 posts and I still don't have an edit button.
I'll just have to make sure I'm right the first time.
Zenn
I presume you mean wandered, in that there are many Words and Meanings put forth as Christ's about which I do wonder.
Zenn
The main reason for landing here is that a forum I had frequented for 11 years (the only forum actually) has recently gone kaput, and a friend suggested this one.
Zenn
You are certainly ignorant of CONTEXT, that's for sure.And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? (Mat 10:22-25 KJV)
Zenn
(And I'm called ignorant? Fascinating.)
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PS: I think I'll stick around for awhile.
Last time I checked, you weren't Jesus.
Is "good" also in the eye of the beholder?
By all means, I'd be delighted to know which seminaries you've attended and which Ph.D.'s you've achieved.
Zenn
PS: I think you may wish to study something known to psychologists as "projection".
PPS: Or do you just want to do a quick and dirty IQ comparison?
Ah well, 51 posts and I still don't have an edit button.
I'll just have to make sure I'm right the first time.
Zenn
In other words, I will not make plain where I stand on matters I hold dear.Mr. Religion,
Understanding requires an alignment of definitional frameworks. As an example, I have been in conversations where two people are smiling and happy, thinking they are in total agreement about faith. And yet I know of five different definitions of faith that are in common use today. It used to be somewhat amusing when I would step into such a conversation and ask a few questions to clarify what the first person truly meant by "faith" only to see (the expected) shadow of confusion and then doubt cross the face of the other. For they truly held to different definitions of what "faith" meant. And while they may have parted in enmity, they at least hadn't parted in delusion.
Now, though, it's no longer amusing. It's just sad.
Personally, though, I don't care if it offends your sense of propriety, needing to "tease these things out" and I'm sure you couldn't care less to know where I stand. I decline to answer out of decency, in that I have no idea what your definitional framework might be. And until I am quite sure I know what you mean by "faith" (or any other subject matter, e.g. salvation, or "Word of God" etc.) I decline to be baited into being rude.
:think: ▼ This?▼Nothing that Jesus hasn't already warned His true disciples about.
Zenn
As far as I understand the passage, it doesn't apply to you. As far as this site, most of them agree it doesn't apply to you. You can either find out the theology of the sponsors of this site, or muddle your way through. Cobra is going the harder route. I see you are friends with Cobra? :think:And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? (Mat 10:22-25 KJV)
Zenn
(And I'm called ignorant? Fascinating.)
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PS: I think I'll stick around for awhile.
Does the Pope wear his hat in the woods? :think: Does a bear...well, no.Does this always happen in a Newbie introduction?
The "presumption" of gender is natural enough absent particularizing, given the makeup around here and the tendency to drift into the masculine as a neutral expression in writing. The presumption on faith is really up to you to clarify and your early comments had me thinking that you are likely an unorthodox member of the Body. If not, we have a number who aren't and it's not a death sentence around here.Uh... Thanks. Of course this is based upon the presumption that I am a Christian.![]()
You don't know him, but I have for a number of years, in agreement and disagreement. AMR was being helpful, both for you and those interested. He's a good soul and possesses a keen intellect, one that doesn't insist on conformity of agreement for fellowship and discourse, but desires the sort of clarity that can only facilitate a meaningful difference, agreement and understanding between people.Personally, though, I don't care if it offends your sense of propriety, needing to "tease these things out" and I'm sure you couldn't care less to know where I stand.
He provided you links to some fairly reputable inquiries that will clarify your position within orthodoxy. They're a bit like the political tests you run into from time to time. I took them out of a natural curiosity. It's one way to stake ground or provide foundation for people who don't know you.I decline to answer out of decency, in that I have no idea what your definitional framework might be.
With regret, some evidence to the contrary, Zenn. But it's early in the day, so here's hoping for a better continuation all around. :cheers:And until I am quite sure I know what you mean by "faith" (or any other subject matter, e.g. salvation, or "Word of God" etc.) I decline to be baited into being rude.
Quite a bit of gross and basal language here. What did you say your IQ and education level were again? Did you read the parts in Paul's letters where you should refrain from coarse jesting, and crude basal language? :think: Ephesians 4:29; 5:4 Colossians 3:8-11 Or do you disdain the scriptures like your friend 2003Cobra? I wonder if he knew cobras were poisonous... :think:Ahh, so you are impatient and demand the instant gratification for which Americans are so well known.
I'm tempted to ask which Gospel, but I don't think that's an appropriate subject for the purposes of this thread.
Interesting. Unless one is Greek Orthodox, all gospels might be considered "unorthodox" no? And I think I can say here, Orthodoxy truly is in the eye of the beholder.
Well the obvious conclusion, then, is that you DO know how to be saved. So again, why are you asking me? To make a quick judgment? To dance in the cotillion of the stereotype?
And what of those non-atheistic trolls?
Not really. It's kind of like the Christian equivalent of dogs sniffing each others backside. I think I shall decline out of common decency.
Soteriology is a rather involved study, but it would seem you think such can be summarized in a sound bite. The doctrines of Soterilogy and Ecclesiastical Authority define the three major branches of Christianity. But I'm sure you know this. Suffice it to say here that I am not Catholic, nor am I Protestant.
Zenn
PPS: Here's a sound bite for you. A person is saved when the spirit of unbelief is removed from them by God.
PPPS: (But of course the wise man would wonder, "Unbelief of what?")
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? (Mat 10:22-25 KJV)
Zenn
(And I'm called ignorant? Fascinating.)
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PS: I think I'll stick around for awhile.
Now you guys found another Christian who does not agree with your doctrines to gang attack.
so typical.
Isn't this a bit like the pot calling the kettle black? I'm ever amazed that the verses are different, but the song is the song sounds the same. We can't attack our own OR the other guy without looking like we are attacking. The innocence card doesn't play. Know what I mean?Do not worry Zenn, they haven't worked themselves up into a full frenzy of mouth frothing yet.
They call themselves Christian but they would talk like Christ if they were.
LA
Its a debate website. Were you looking for a lot of peace love and harmony? Here? Read some of his posts. He's coming out swinging himself. To me, most are congenial, if a bit challenging. We all need our faith and beliefs brought through testing. I don't see it as bad as you do?
Isn't this a bit like the pot calling the kettle black? I'm ever amazed that the verses are different, but the song is the song sounds the same. We can't attack our own OR the other guy without looking like we are attacking. The innocence card doesn't play. Know what I mean?
PPS: Or do you just want to do a quick and dirty IQ comparison?
Appeals to IQ now?
Juvenile. Waste of time.[/COLOR]
:french:I kinda wanted to do the comparison![]()