No Death Penalty. What Is Your Position?

[JudgeRightly]

They may have come to realize the wrongness of some actions. Others they decided not to do no more or they may do it again and try not to get caught. I would ask one grandchild if God liked what he did. He told me no.

I believe in life in prison without parole for murder. I still do not believe in the death penalty for reasons stated before. One person innocently put to death is one too many. Also Jesus tells me I am also a sinner and not worthy to judge others to death. I trust God to judge and give the punishment. Also believe God loves all sinners and wants give them time to believe and repent. "The last shall be first..." Mt 20:16.

There is a time when children have no clear understanding of good and bad. "Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it" (Deut. 1:39). At first when punished they may not understand why. Therefore they may do the same thing again even when knowing they will be punished. But as they get older they will understand why.

As for punishment my Dad would get drunk and beat me severely with a belt. I have not the heart to do the same. My dear departed wife would give the physical punishment.

You didn't answer my question.

Do you know how God commands parents to punish their children?

If so, what does He tell them to do?

 

[glassjester]

In what year, though?

Homie ain't gonna play your Roman games.

Yeah, better to avoid looking into Church history.


"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."
- John Henry Cardinal Newman

 

[Idolater]

Yeah, better to avoid looking into Church history.


"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."
- John Henry Cardinal Newman

There are non-Catholic Christians in the Bible, they are "delivered" to Satan. 1st Corinthians 5:5 KJV and 1st Timothy 1:20 KJV.

 

[glassjester]

There are non-Catholic Christians in the Bible, they are "delivered" to Satan. 1st Corinthians 5:5 KJV and 1st Timothy 1:20 KJV.

How do you know which books are part of the Bible?

 

[WizardofOz]

:AMR:

Don't be silly. You quoted me and your response didn't match the quote. If you made a simple quoting mistake, just say so. Then I'll ignore your jibe and repeat the question.

You made a statement and I countered it. You then asked a deflective question and rather than address that, I backtracked to the original topic.

Do you really prefer to discuss who said what and when? Is there any substance behind all this hand waving?

 

[Idolater]

How do you know which books are part of the Bible?

'Cause they're in the Bible.

 

[WizardofOz]

and so, to summarize:

In Iran, adultery is a capital crime.
Men and women are executed for adultery.
Women have the right to refuse to marry.
Men have the right to refuse to marry.
Marriage rates have not plummeted to nearly zero

In Somalia, adultery is a capital crime.
Men and women are executed for adultery.
Men have the right to refuse to marry.
Marriage rates have not plummeted to nearly zero


Can we agree that WoO's claim, to which I was originally responding: has been disproven?

:doh:

In Somalia -

45% of women are married by the time they are 18 years old (35% urban, 52% rural). A Somali woman gives birth to an average of 6 children during her life time. Almost all women aged 15 to 49 years (98%) have been subjected to female genital mutilation/cutting

In Somalia - a man may have as many as four wives.

Meanwhile, in the United States:

Which direction do you think that trend would go in the United States once you can be executed for adultery?

I mean, there isn't a lot of divorce on Mars, either.

 

[ok doser]

.... Is there any substance behind all this hand waving?

:wave2::wave2::wave2::wave2::wave2::wave2::wave2::wave2::wave2:

 

[ok doser]

If adultery was a capital crime, hardly anyone would get married, ever. Marriage rates would plummet to nearly zero.

Or, are we executing fornicators as well?

Also, define adultery as it relates to you making it a capital offense. Cause I can think of a few people you might prefer to see spared that would otherwise not be, if you had it your way.

:doh:

In Somalia -

45% of women are married by the time they are 18 years old (35% urban, 52% rural). A Somali woman gives birth to an average of 6 children during her life time. Almost all women aged 15 to 49 years (98%) have been subjected to female genital mutilation/cutting

In Somalia - a man may have as many as four wives.

Meanwhile, in the United States:

Which direction do you think that trend would go in the United States once you can be executed for adultery?

I mean, there isn't a lot of divorce on Mars, either.

[MENTION=7959]WizardofOz[/MENTION] i'll come back to this when I can give it the time and effort it deserves, meanwhile, this got buried in way too much of artie's silly emotional nonsense:http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...our-Position&p=5341218&viewfull=1#post5341218

 

[ok doser]

:doh:

In Somalia -

45% of women are married by the time they are 18 years old (35% urban, 52% rural). A Somali woman gives birth to an average of 6 children during her life time. Almost all women aged 15 to 49 years (98%) have been subjected to female genital mutilation/cutting

In Somalia - a man may have as many as four wives.

Meanwhile, in the United States:

Which direction do you think that trend would go in the United States once you can be executed for adultery?

I mean, there isn't a lot of divorce on Mars, either.

but wanted to point out that if you plot that again with the y-axis range set to -1000 up to 1000, that little bit looks flat


gotta go mow before i lose the light :wave2:

 

[ok doser]

ok, too dark to cut any more grass

:doh:

In Somalia - 45% of women are married by the time they are 18 years old (35% urban, 52% rural).

in a country that executes men and women for the crime of adultery :thumb:

A Somali woman gives birth to an average of 6 children during her life time.

while she remains married in a country that executes men and women for the crime of adultery :thumb:

Almost all women aged 15 to 49 years (98%) have been subjected to female genital mutilation/cutting[/box]

in a country in which the fact that adultery is a capital crime has not caused marriage rates to plummet to zero :thumb:

In Somalia - a man may have as many as four wives.

which means they're all married, in a country that executes men and women for the crime of adultery :thumb:

Meanwhile, in the United States:

tell me, is that trend dependent on the execution of adulterers?

Which direction do you think that trend would go in the United States once you can be executed for adultery?

good question

if american law was changed to make adultery a capital crime, i believe that rates of adultery would plummet

which would mean that fewer marriages would fail

I mean, there isn't a lot of divorce on Mars, either.

not sure why you devoted any time at all to mars and none to iran :idunno:

 

[Arthur Brain]

:doh:

In Somalia -

45% of women are married by the time they are 18 years old (35% urban, 52% rural). A Somali woman gives birth to an average of 6 children during her life time. Almost all women aged 15 to 49 years (98%) have been subjected to female genital mutilation/cutting

In Somalia - a man may have as many as four wives.

Meanwhile, in the United States:

Which direction do you think that trend would go in the United States once you can be executed for adultery?

I mean, there isn't a lot of divorce on Mars, either.

What happens in places like Somalia is atrocious beyond words. It's obvious what would happen to the marriage rate if barbaric laws were introduced to the West but don't expect an acknowledgement of that because - anecdotes.

:freak:

 

[ok doser]

Oh, there's a gulf between us alright and one that I wouldn't wish to see narrowed else I'd be living under a similar bridge. Time to leave you to it after this.

defeated in reasoned argumentation, artie calls me a troll and pretends to put me on ignore :darwinsm:

how often have we seen this before?

If laws were introduced making adultery a capital crime in the West then Wiz's point absolutely stands. Okay, there's no chance of it happening but the point remains and for obvious reasons.

the problem is, artie, that you never gave any reasons, only emotional responses and logical fallacies

those don't count

 

[ok doser]

still, i'm grateful to artie for the opportunity to work through some stuff I'd been chewing on for a long time regarding John 8 :thumb:

 

[ok doser]

What happens in places like Somalia is atrocious beyond words.

argumentum ad passiones

It's obvious what would happen

begging the question

to the marriage rate if barbaric laws were introduced to the West but don't expect an acknowledgement of that because - anecdotes.

anecdotes like your story about the 13 year old girl? :darwinsm:

 

[ok doser]

... i noticed that you overlooked this question, so i'll ask it again:

how do you interpret "without sin"?

now i guess we'll never find out

 

[ok doser]

... societies that still treat their women like trash, like Somalia.

as opposed to societies that encourage their women to act like whores, like "great" britain?

 

[Stripe]

Do you really prefer to discuss who said what and when? Is there any substance behind all this hand waving?

I can't even remember who you are anymore. :idunno:

 

[ok doser]

the way you are interpreting the verse, artie, would negate the Law by imposing requirements on its enforcement that would be impossible to meet

did Jesus come to negate the Law by making it unenforceable?

Guess we'll never get an answer to this one either :sigh:

 

[ok doser]

well, no - you bailed on the convo last time we addressed this - care to try again?

in NYS (and others) there is a specific circumstance in which the state cedes any interest in the sexual molestation of a post pubescent girl of any age

do you know what that is?

And once again, artie runs from this one :sigh: