No “new law”

daqq

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If a false witness breathing out lies shall rise up against another to testify against him that which is wrong: then both of those, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the Door of the Most High and before the Priests and the Elohim-Judges. And the Judges shall make diligent inquisition: and behold, if the witness be a false witness breathing out lies, and has testified falsely against his brother; then you shall do unto him just as he had thought to have done to his brother. In this manner shall you put away the evil from your midst. And the remnant shall hear, and fear, and shall no more continue to commit any such evil as this in your midst, (for the kingdom of Elohim is within you, Luk17:20,21). And your eye being single shall not pity: soul for soul, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. Cut them off before they choke the Seed of the Word out of the soil of your heart and you become unfruitful.

Moreover, learn the difference between the outward and the inward from the Testimony of the Messiah so that you do not end up like the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes, being whitewashed tombs full of dead men's bones.

This is outward and concerns how we treat others:

Matthew 5:38-48 HRB2012
38 You have heard that it was said "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth;"
39 but I say to you, Do not stand against the evil; but whoever strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him also.
40 And to him desiring to sue you, and to take your coat, allow him also to have the cloak.
41 And whoever shall compel you to go one mile, go two with him.
42 He asking you to give, and he wishing to borrow from you, do not turn away.
43 You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor" and hate your enemy;
44 but I say to you, Love your enemies; bless those cursing you, do well to those hating you; and pray for those who take you by force and persecute you,
45 so that you may become sons of your Father in Heaven. Because He causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and unjust.
46 For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax-collectors do the same?
47 And if you only greet your brothers, what exceptional thing do you do? Do not the tax-collectors do so?
48 Therefore, you become perfect (complete), even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.


The Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, and rulers of the people had misinterpreted that passage which I explained in my first post, (and it is their handwritten ordinances, injunctions, and Sanhedrin style decrees and dogmasin which the Testimony of Messiah has done away with).

The passage above is teaching us how to act and how we should be toward others.
The passage above is teaching us how to become sons of our heavenly Father.
The passage above is not telling us that it is impossible to do what it says.
 

glorydaz

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Most of you seem to believe you don't have to obey Jesus because He did all the work for us.

nothing new, friend.

It seems that way to those who are under the law, but there is a difference between HAVING to obey, and being given the DESIRE to heed.

So, you will continue to make such statements until the day you undergo the operation of God.
 

glorydaz

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If you appreciate Jesus you would listen what He says.

Especially what He said to Paul after He'd ascended into heaven.

But, that would require you reading Paul, which you refuse to do. Therefore, you don't know what the Lord said after He arose. What a shame. :nono:
 

clefty

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It seems that way to those who are under the law, but there is a difference between HAVING to obey, and being given the DESIRE to heed.

So, you will continue to make such statements until the day you undergo the operation of God.

Oh my...what?!! the LIVING IN HIM gives you desire to HEED?

Well well well...that is a shift on your part...
 

glorydaz

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In fact it seems he is saying this to specifically be taken literal because before he said, “your righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees.” The Pharisees follow the whole law as well as the Talmud. In order to exceed them you have to go farther than them in your penance and law keeping if you wish to be seen as righteous before God.

What He did was apply the law to the heart as well as the outward actions. He magnified the law to show that just outward observance was not what we would be judged on. We would be judged on all the intents of our heart. But, as you basically said in your OP, the purpose of the law was to show men their sin, and cause them to come for mercy and grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

jzeidler

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No “new law”

What He did was apply the law to the heart as well as the outward actions. He magnified the law to show that just outward observance was not what we would be judged on. We would be judged on all the intents of our heart. But, as you basically said in your OP, the purpose of the law was to show men their sin, and cause them to come for mercy and grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Exactly, if we were to justify ourselves by the law all things, action, thought, and intent would have to be taken into consideration. This is absolutely impossible and God knows it. This is why the law and our sin was nailed to the cross. It was taken away and we stand in grace and let his righteousness which indwells in us change our life from the inside out.

https://youtu.be/IHrVhIs6Z0Y
 

jzeidler

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What He did was apply the law to the heart as well as the outward actions. He magnified the law to show that just outward observance was not what we would be judged on. We would be judged on all the intents of our heart. But, as you basically said in your OP, the purpose of the law was to show men their sin, and cause them to come for mercy and grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

https://youtu.be/bcLG_3LrKXo
 

clefty

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Mat 5:29-30

"So if your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your body parts than to have your whole body thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away from you. It is better for you to lose one of your body parts than to have your whole body go into hell.”"

If this is passage is to be "new law" why does no one take these verses seriously and act them out? In the old law the ordinance was given and if it was broken the sentence was carried out. No one seems to do that here. Maybe they don't really believe it to be real "new law". Or maybe they are unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.

My answer is that it is not "new law". Jesus is not giving new ordinances, therefore he is not giving new sentencing to be carried out. Jesus is showing you that if you want to obtain justification through works of the law you must go above and beyond what the old law states. This is not given so people try harder. It is given so people give up on their performance and fall at the feet of the cross and say, "I can't do it."

Another big swing and a miss...

The entire OT was faith first salvation and then desire to work...out of gratitude for what was done

Israel was saved from slavery BEFORE receiving the LAW...then believed and then finally obeyed...you know the works and fruits thingy

What do you think the Spirit is given to you to do?...your old ways of the flesh? to live and love like the world? To do what you did before you died to self and put on His yoke...followed Him His way and carried your cross because now the WORLD (and sadly must JUST BELIEVE christians HATE you)

It is clear here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF His Son...

Relax...you aint going it alone...no need to give up...it takes practice and prayer for strength and guidance...

Remember you are saved...act that way...represent Him His way...WWJD? Right?
 

glorydaz

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Oh my...what?!! the LIVING IN HIM gives you desire to HEED?

Well well well...that is a shift on your part...

Well well well....thanks for proving you have never heeded what I have been saying.

Or perhaps you still don't understand how God works in us...both to will and do of His good pleasure.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
 

clefty

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Well well well....thanks for proving you have never heeded what I have been saying.

Or perhaps you still don't understand how God works in us...both to will and do of His good pleasure.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Ok then...your fruits will show it...more like His and less like the world’s
 

clefty

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Especially what He said to Paul after He'd ascended into heaven.

But, that would require you reading Paul, which you refuse to do. Therefore, you don't know what the Lord said after He arose. What a shame. :nono:

What about Paul? Some more false witness?
 

glorydaz

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Exactly, if we were to justify ourselves by the law all things, action, thought, and intent would have to be taken into consideration. This is absolutely impossible and God knows it. This is why the law and our sin was nailed to the cross. It was taken away and we stand in grace and let his righteousness which indwells in us change our life from the inside out.

https://youtu.be/IHrVhIs6Z0Y

Yeah, except it isn't the law that was nailed to the cross. The Law is still there showing men their sin, and leading them to Christ. What was nailed to the cross was the record of crimes that was against us. Just as Jesus' record of His crimes were nailed to His cross.
 

glorydaz

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Another big swing and a miss...

The entire OT was faith first salvation and then desire to work...out of gratitude for what was done

Israel was saved from slavery BEFORE receiving the LAW...then believed and then finally obeyed...you know the works and fruits thingy

What do you think the Spirit is given to you to do?...your old ways of the flesh? to live and love like the world? To do what you did before you died to self and put on His yoke...followed Him His way and carried your cross because now the WORLD (and sadly must JUST BELIEVE christians HATE you)

It is clear here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF His Son...

Relax...you aint going it alone...no need to give up...it takes practice and prayer for strength and guidance...

Remember you are saved...act that way...represent Him His way...WWJD? Right?

You just read what you wanted into that OP, didn't ya?
All so you could look like you have a clue.

:rotfl:
 

clefty

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The Risen and ascended Lord revealed many things to Paul.

You'd best read his letters so you won't be left in the lurch.

Oh I have and not only his letters but accounts on how he lived...proving he himself walked orderly and kept the law as myriads of other jews did who believed AND are all zealous for the law...
 

daqq

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Another big swing and a miss...

The entire OT was faith first salvation and then desire to work...out of gratitude for what was done

Israel was saved from slavery BEFORE receiving the LAW...then believed and then finally obeyed...you know the works and fruits thingy

What do you think the Spirit is given to you to do?...your old ways of the flesh? to live and love like the world? To do what you did before you died to self and put on His yoke...followed Him His way and carried your cross because now the WORLD (and sadly must JUST BELIEVE christians HATE you)

It is clear here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF His Son...

Relax...you aint going it alone...no need to give up...it takes practice and prayer for strength and guidance...

Remember you are saved...act that way...represent Him His way...WWJD? Right?

Believe it or not it is the same discussion from the other thread we were having, again, mortification. Anyone not willing to do so according to the Way is considered a non-believer, and will not enter that great Shabbat Rest, for Elohim has sworn in His wrath that such unbelief and those unwilling to cut off sin from their midst will not enter into His Rest. The author of Hebrews gives plenty of teaching and warning about this but you really cannot even discuss such things with people who claim that the Teachings of the Master, (and likely the epistle to the Hebrews also), was not written or addressed to them. They are literally equivalent to non-believers and those who perished in the desert according to the author of Hebrews, (for starters see Heb3:7-19).
 

glorydaz

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Oh I have and not only his letters but accounts on how he lived...proving he himself walked orderly and kept the law as myriads of other jews did who believed AND are all zealous for the law...

Paul walked by faith, knowing the purpose of the law had been accomplished in him. He understood that the law could not justify him, make him righteous, or give him life. I suggest you read further. You don't even need to go outside the Bible to know this.

Gal. 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?​

Gal. 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.



Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.​
 
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