New experience for a muslim

[Mulla Sadra]

You may be the first theist who believes science completely confirms their God, why do you think so many oppose science and its findings?

Why are those who accept science fully... normally not so invested in a deity?

No no, the translation is fine, however it may work to your disadvantage, there's another word for "subjective logic" it's called delusion.

I'll consider reading that book after I've read the first few pages, but books that try to proselytise have little credibility or efficacy upon me.

Even your condescending fallacies aren't that damning, you can't even get enough sects together for an argumentum ad populum, it works against you, strangely.

If it must be so that Christianity accompanies democracy and westernisation, then I'd happily force that upon Islamic states, at least their oil-reliant economics will diverge and thrive, perhaps women can be a little less subservient also.

But it would be better if these nasty and capricious fairy tales vanished.

1- A monotheist God, more than sure, but a personal one, I can find Science saying Masturbation is good and Islam says it is not, I can find it saying Dog might be clean, Islam doesn't, I can find the story of Adam (Somewhat) doubted if compared to Science - even I am an evolutionist and don't think it is -.
but logically any kind of Scientific breakthrough means there's a God.

2- invested in what ?

3- Ok

4- it is not.

5- Christianity is not Islam.

 

[Mulla Sadra]

Then on what authority do muslims tell me that he actually flew up on a physical winged horse?

It seems to me once you accept a little of this archaic magic, nothing is ruled out or denied, omnipotence only serves to allay the fantasies of the illiterate and inexperienced.

As for leaving anything other than a physical footprint on the Earth... an emotional footprint? :think: Of what importance is the horse? The tale only was used to twist evidence, I'm sure there's a footprint looking mark around here somewhere...

As for hollywood films, you'd be wise to avoid Islamic views on censorship around the British and American, we value civil liberties.

Wait till they want to ban Romantic movies

The same authority that understand religion narrowly and use it to its benefit (strangely an authority backed by West - Saudi Wahhabis).

And yes nothing is ruled out, while your civilization made you (atheists) and them (Jewish something who want to kill for a prophecy), Islam made same kinds but all inside Islam. (Please say you got me :sheep: )

 

[Mulla Sadra]

When I make a specific statement it is not to be construed as applicable in all cases.
Many people on this Christian web site consider blasphemy to be that which defames the name of our God.
I, personally, do not show disrespect for the name of diety in other religions.
I don't believe I have spoken to you about bad taste?
Your taste is of no concern to me.

Vulgar is translated lack of taste in dictionary.

 

[xAvarice]

1- Fallacy mister, I said Communism is Atheism, not Atheism is Communism, so be aware. (Marx : Religion is opium of people)

Ah, beautiful the most misquoted and out of context Marx quote, don't misquote Marx to a Marxist! You clearly haven't read the four lines before and after that which you coaxed out of the writing.

2- I am used to say "Akhi" in Arabic, so I've been trying hard not to use it , but it slipped away. anyways all humans are brothers.

I agree, all people are siblings, lest we deny females yet again.

3- a tax that had the same (if not less) amount than Zakah enforced on Muslims ? I can see how it will damage non-muslims economy in a muslims country.

You equate jiyza with zakah? You think so, the zakah is around 2.5% at most (I suppose there's room for a local government to take further advantage of your servility)... the jiyza, less you say?

when I go to Baghdad their Bars are one block away of one of the biggest mosques in Iraq, Sharia is for Muslims, I cant go to a Christian and tell him not gamble or don't drink (because he DOESNT think it is a sin), but if he tries to affect society with his drinking then he will be asked by law for that.

Blatant contradiction, "I don't tell Christians not to drink, I only take away their ability to do so."

How many muslims would you find in the bar if they were not under pressure to refrain? In my country, muslims are more afraid of white christians at the bar telling them it's against their religion, than their own god.

 

[bybee]

Vulgar is translated lack of taste in dictionary.

Very good.
I was merely quoting the rules of the site. I am not personally dictating terms to you.

 

[xAvarice]

1- A monotheist God, more than sure, but a personal one, I can find Science saying Masturbation is good and Islam says it is not, I can find it saying Dog might be clean, Islam doesn't, I can find the story of Adam (Somewhat) doubted if compared to Science - even I am an evolutionist and don't think it is -.

:darwinsm: No comment, this post drips oppression.

but logically any kind of Scientific breakthrough means there's a God.

Should mean there's a god. Science is the reading of clues that are left behind by existence and creation... if the clues don't match up, either god is not real, or god is a liar. So yes, on that you're right, unfortunately for yourself.

Edit: The thought of an all-powerful, all-loving God that hates masturbation is nothing less than hysteria inducing.

 

[Mulla Sadra]

Before answering, this is my last reply for the moment, I want to go study Biology (strangely study Evolution).

Ah, beautiful the most misquoted and out of context Marx quote, don't misquote Marx to a Marxist! You clearly haven't read the four lines before and after that which you coaxed out of the writing.



I agree, all people are siblings, lest we deny females yet again.



You equate jiyza with zakah? You think so, the zakah is around 2.5% at most (I suppose there's room for a local government to take further advantage of your servility)... the jiyza, less you say?



Blatant contradiction, "I don't tell Christians not to drink, I only take away their ability to do so."

How many muslims would you find in the bar if they were not under pressure to refrain? In my country, muslims are more afraid of white christians at the bar telling them it's against their religion, than their own god.

1- No I haven't if you can bring the lines because I want to give reason for communists not to be atheists. [they are actually trying hard to say they are muslims who believe in God, We are foolishly saying they are not].

2- No the thing about Eve is cellular (scientifically) or Muddy (in religion words), it says that the ocean mud that Adam was made of is the same Eve was made of, but Adam is before her (She wasn't made of his chest for god's sake).

3- Actually Jizya is something that is part of the "To-be-set" rules in Islam, the government is the one to set the percentage, it might be more or less, and it is known that Muhammad took Zero Percentage from one Christian city.
so if we have a democratic Islamic state (like Iran .. somehow :rotfl: ) it won't take Jizya normally.

4- No they are able to, as I made clear is happening right now in Baghdad, I even went into one bar and asked for Pepsi without knowing... how dumb.

5- No you won't find that much, but they can do it in secret, like what is happening in every place in Iraq or Iran and the government give a blind eye. (Yes some governments backed and loved by the west sometimes don't give the same eye)

 

[Mulla Sadra]

:darwinsm: No comment, this post drips oppression.



Should mean there's a god. Science is the reading of clues that are left behind by existence and creation... if the clues don't match up, either god is not real, or god is a liar. So yes, on that you're right, unfortunately for yourself.

Edit: The thought of an all-powerful, all-loving God that hates masturbation is nothing less than hysteria inducing.

Is the emoticon called Darwinism ? :rotfl::rotfl:

didn't get second sentence, if you mean that why those things are bad in Islam and good in science and doesn't match up, no you got me all wrong, because there might be other reasons for their "bad" spec in Islam, maybe Social, maybe something We say God knows and we don't, Science is about knowing matter things, and believing in God gives another world of Metaphysics (delusions you say), and religion is about both not just one.

You look like a Masturbation-Defending Club ?

 

[Mulla Sadra]

Ok ...
I am going off for the moment.

 

[Mulla Sadra]

Ok something else to be said :

I was talking about the theory of God (Yes, As a Transcendent Hikmat Muslim, I've no problem proving God as a theory for an Atheist)

I wasn't trying to convert you to tell me Science is against my God, I was telling you it is not against GOD, not MY God.

got me ?
it just stayed in my mind.

 

[xAvarice]

Masturbation-defending club...


Do we live in a world where such a thing needs to be defended?

You don't believe it should be illegal, surely? Perhaps you feel it is immoral, some people don't like to order a la carte, but illegal? That's cuckoo.

 

[Angel4Truth]

1- A monotheist God, more than sure, but a personal one, I can find Science saying Masturbation is good and Islam says it is not, I can find it saying Dog might be clean, Islam doesn't, I can find the story of Adam (Somewhat) doubted if compared to Science - even I am an evolutionist and don't think it is -.
but logically any kind of Scientific breakthrough means there's a God.

2- invested in what ?

3- Ok

4- it is not.

5- Christianity is not Islam.

They dont have dogs for pets in iraq?

 

[Mulla Sadra]

Masturbation-defending club...


Do we live in a world where such a thing needs to be defended?

You don't believe it should be illegal, surely? Perhaps you feel it is immoral, some people don't like to order a la carte, but illegal? That's cuckoo.

Immoral surely, there's no law about it in Sharia.

But we have that Imam Ali was told one man was masturbating so he hit his left hand until it become red (just like when a teacher hits a student) then he arranged him to marry.

Looks like the guy wasn't a looker.

BTW I was just commenting that you left Dogs .... Evolution ..... etc and made a certain point about Masturbation.

 

[Mulla Sadra]

They dont have dogs for pets in iraq?

No Actually we had one when I was younger and it died.

it is just we don't touch it and if we do we must do a certain way of shower, and it mustn't be inside the house, but in the garden because there's a Hadeeth that says "Angels of Mercy don't come inside a house with a dog".

And some people just think that a clean dogs is not a part of that manners and allow them into their houses (Often called Liberals).

 

[Angel4Truth]

No Actually we had one when I was younger and it died.

it is just we don't touch it and if we do we must do a certain way of shower, and it mustn't be inside the house, but in the garden because there's a Hadeeth that says "Angels of Mercy don't come inside a house with a dog".

And some people just think that a clean dogs is not a part of that manners and allow them into their houses (Often called Liberals).

Well i am not liberal at all, and i have a wonderful dacshund. Dogs can teach people about love better than other people most of the time since they keep no record of wrongs.

Tell me, what does a woman get rewarded with by Allah after she dies, does she get 72 hot guys?

 

[Mulla Sadra]

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Well i am not liberal at all, and i have a wonderful dacshund. Dogs can teach people about love better than other people most of the time since they keep no record of wrongs.

Tell me, what does a woman get rewarded with by Allah after she dies, does she get 72 hot guys?

1- I am a Dog lover and had my own German Shepherd when I was younger, but a western liberal is not like Muslim liberal.

2- Well if she wants 72 hot guys for a reward of her good deeds she'd get them. But if she doesn't want them, just like I don't want 72 hot chick as a reward for my Islam or good deed (or not actually my priority in a heaven near Muhammad PBUH&H and under the eyes of Allah), She ain't getting them.

 

[lifeisgood]

I don't have faith nor a religion. :idunno: Try again?

I have to disagree with you. You do have faith. How you say? You have faith that what you believe is the truth. That in and of itself, in a way, is a religion. The religion of self.

 

[Mulla Sadra]

I have to disagree with you. You do have faith. How you say? You have faith that what you believe is the truth. That in and of itself, in a way, is a religion. The religion of self.

Every idea is a faith, then.
Hence, what is faith and not faith now ?!
it is a theology or an Ideology, when it become controlled, like in a God giving orders or a prophet with miracles, it is a Religion.

Please, keep us a little privileged as people with Religion

 

[lifeisgood]

Please, keep us a little privileged as people with Religion

Why?

 

[Mulla Sadra]

You equate jiyza with zakah? You think so, the zakah is around 2.5% at most (I suppose there's room for a local government to take further advantage of your servility)... the jiyza, less you say?

BTW a muslim tax is two-parted :
1- Zakah the 2.5% of the year-earned money
2- Khums - which only Shia believe to be part of the muslim taxes, which is held upon middle and rich classes to give 20% of their net earnings for a year.

so it is actually 22.5% on muslims in a Sharia law abiding country. it won't get any place near that for other religions Jizya.

Socialist , don't you think ?