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Town Heretic

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I've hear the soft label for so long but it really has no basis in reality.
All that talent last year and they got themselves beat. Reminded me of Brady's record setting Pats team. I suppose I think of the Bulls like I do Joe's Niners. Every time they got there they won. That's rare in any sport.

Yes, the game has been cleaned up but that doesn't make it soft.
I think it does in a way. Same in the NFL. Heck, the Pistons team that beat Jordan back a few times could break the rhythm and spirit of just about any team playing now in a series. Being under the boards was brutal in the day and driving there...

I never understood why clothes-lining a player as he drives to the hoop was even considered basketball? Can you imagine if Draymond Green was allowed to slap, elbow, mug, and clothes line players?
I think he'd have a shot at that game. But he's not enough and the hard play inside would kill GS. Not just clothes line fouls but more latitude under the basket and swallowed whistles. What Jordan went through with the Pistons demonstrated a remarkable toughness. And that's before we get to hand checking.

Now the question about this mythical match-up is what rules would they be playing under? That is a big factor. The Bulls team was built for their era. But they NEVER played a team that shot 3 pointers like the the Warriors. The Bulls defense was not designed to stop the 3 point shot. Also, the Bulls played a lot of players who were complete non-scorers like Dennis Rodman and Luc Longley.
Longley wasn't a scorer, but wasn't needed. Rodman could when he wanted. Mostly he decided to sweep the boards and give the Bulls a punishing defensive presence inside. But that 3 pt bit could cut both ways. Teams jack up and play differently. They're not accustomed to the sort of play the Bulls ran with and GS would feel relaxing comparatively.

Now if they played under 1996 rules how would the Warriors respond to the rougher play? That is a legitimate question. How would they deal with a rebounding machine like Rodman? On the the hand in 1996 the 3 point line was closer as well. Can imagine Steph and Klay with the 22 foot 3 point line? Scary thought.
Don't forget by that time Jordan was shooting 3s as well as any starter in the league by 95. Kukoc and Pippen were good from range too and Kerr was absurd, averaging over 50% off attempts.

The 6.5 point spread in favor of the Warriors does seem rather high, though. I'd thought the Bulls would be the slight favorites simply because of the Michael Jordan factor.
It's always fun to play the what if match ups, but the best thing is probably to leave them to their eras. Looking forward to the next game. Let's see if your guys can put their foot on the neck of the defending champs.
 

Town Heretic

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TH, I don't think you're going to like this analysis. :D

http://thebiglead.com/2017/06/05/2017-warriors-1996-bulls/
The author begins with age, which literally has nothing to do with how the series would play, since that "aged" team of starters were beating the pants off of younger teams and stronger physical challenges inside. The numbers can tell you the level of their play vs. the competition. Declaring GS's bench more talented is according to and by what measure? Then they assume the Warriors have players that can outscore them on a given night, which is assumption. Playing with checks and slow whistles this crew doesn't get its rhythm and the Bulls can take bruising the Warriors can't dish out for the most part.

Capped off by a Warriors 4-1? :rotfl: What part of California does this guy live in anyway? That's about as thin a job of wish-craft as could be cobbled.

The fact is that scoring is inflated by rules changes and the style of play that evokes. The Bulls shot comparably or better and did so in a much tougher situation. It would be as easy to say that given the easing of defensive pressure the Bulls legs would be fresh, the starters could match or better the Warriors in 3 pt play and own the glass. I'd say it's Chicago in six on average. Harper's sweep notion is a pipe dream though.

And you don't put Harper on Curry, you put Scotty on him and let his length and athleticism frustrate Curry, force him inside and away from the 3 pt shot.
 

Town Heretic

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Kevin Durant with CLUTCH 3 pointer!! Warriors win game 3 118-113. Goodbye Cavs. The sweep is on Friday!
Maybe. The Cavs should have won that one and that's how you play to beat GS, but James makes the case again that when its all on the line he's just not Jordan. :nono:

I don't think the Cavs will let them sweep, but I mostly want another really good game. This one got the taste of game two cleared away.
 

The Berean

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The Cavs shot their silver bullet. LeBron, Kyrie, and Love all played well, hit a bunch of three's, and the Cavs still lost. The W's are one win for the first undefeated postseason run in NBA history. They want it bad. The Warriors will win on Friday and close it out.

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Town Heretic

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The Cavs shot their silver bullet. LeBron, Kyrie, and Love all played well, hit a bunch of three's, and the Cavs still lost. The W's are one win for the first undefeated postseason run in NBA history. They want it bad. The Warriors will win on Friday and close it out.
Would be fun to match them up with LeBron's first Miami championship. If GS can sweep I think the case for the best team of this era (post 90s shift) is hard to argue against...though I can think of a couple of teams that would have made for compelling contests.
 

The Berean

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I think in the 21st century you have the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, the Tim Duncan Spurs, the LeBron Heat squads, and these Warriors. A Final Four style playoffs would be great! :D

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I think in the 21st century you have the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, the Tim Duncan Spurs, the LeBron Heat squads, and these Warriors. A Final Four style playoffs would be great! :D

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Throw the Mavericks in for fun and add my 2008 Celtics team. Let the winner of that one play in, because they deserve the chance and I think that Celtics team could give any of the four a solid contest, even as the dog.
 

The Berean

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Hey, TH, have you heard of "Six Degrees of Shaq"? :D Going back to the 1984 Finals every NBA champion has had a player who was a teammate of Shaq at some point in their careers! That's just crazy! The streak will continue this season. The Warriors' Matt Barnes played with Shaq.


 

Nick M

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Terrific performances by Steph and Kevin. Cleveland did better in about every way I thought they could, but couldn't overcome the power of those two both having a great night.

It is difficult to compare teams from different decades, but I will trumpet one take and put down the other. The claim is about the 90s Bulls. They are the weakest dynasty ever. The talk about GS not being able to beat them isn't just wrong, it is backwards. Unless you call the Jordan rules of not being able to look at him wrong or it is a foul. I am not sure they are up to Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers teams, but it is close. Every body can play.
 

Nick M

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Sorry, but that's...crazy. These guys are comparatively soft, as is the league. Fun to watch, but they don't take that Bull's team. :nono:

You have it backwards. Jordan was never fouled after the league went like Lynch and Comey, and changed the rules. The Pistons just pushed him around. Then, that was taken away, and rightly so, but then light hand checking was called. Players would back away and let him have it and they still called fouls for him. MJ is in the GOAT conversation, but not the Bulls.
 
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The Berean

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Well that was disappointing. I really wanted the 16-0 postseason record. Oh well 16-1 will have to be good enough. On to game 5.
 

tetelestai

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After last nights game, the Warriors Draymond Green said the following about Cleveland fans:

"I don't pay that much attention to anybody in Cleveland, honestly,they don't seem to be the sharpest people around."

Hahahaha.....love it.
 

Town Heretic

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Well that was disappointing. I really wanted the 16-0 postseason record. Oh well 16-1 will have to be good enough. On to game 5.
Hard to see it going much longer with the effort that took. Tremendous game. They should have won the last one and then we'd be looking at a likely seven with drama. Ah, well. If they can win one on the road we'll at least get six, but I'll be surprised to see it.
 

Nick M

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After last nights game, the Warriors Draymond Green said the following about Cleveland fans:

"I don't pay that much attention to anybody in Cleveland, honestly,they don't seem to be the sharpest people around."

Hahahaha.....love it.

 

Nick M

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Longley wasn't a scorer, but wasn't needed. Rodman could when he wanted. Mostly he decided to sweep the boards and give the Bulls a punishing defensive presence inside. But that 3 pt bit could cut both ways. Teams jack up and play differently. They're not accustomed to the sort of play the Bulls ran with and GS would feel relaxing comparatively.

I think this Cavs team is very similar to the Jordan led Bulls. They play the same way. Cleveland's game is to have James and Irving try to beat the other play one on one. And dish for the 3 if the defense collapses. The difference is that Cleveland's shooters just aren't Kerr, Paxon, and Hodges before them. All three were money.
 
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