Do you feel that the Islamic refugees will make the countries better places for all concerned?
Muslims must be kicked out of the West in Full
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Do you feel that the Islamic refugees will make the countries better places for all concerned?
Tinark
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Define "many". What percentage are you talking about here?
Something like 5% of men in the US have attempted or successfully raped someone. Should all men be expelled from society because of that?
Tinark
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What is "their" beliefs? You really don't understand religion if you haven't by now realized that it is all subject to interpretation and muddled full of contradictions.
Tinark
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I say we start by forcing them to wear a crescent moon and star and boycotting their businesses.
Tinark
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Why must they make it better "for all concerned"?
Is this the new test of the authoritarian state, you are removed unless you prove that you make the place better "for all concerned"?
Tinark
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Punishing the parents for the sins of the (adult) children? Did I suddenly get transported to North Korea and didn't realize it?
The Anti-American authoritarian state worship being advocated in this thread is running rampant.
They talk a good game about wanting "small government" or being "conservative." But really, they have zero problem with the government, so long as it's doing what they like.
Quincy
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I understand that and it makes sense. This is a different circumstance, though... thankfully. We are more capable of defending ourselves and our culture than they were, so we can let the Muslims in. We just have to keep them in line and not let them poison the public pool of opinion.
You can't really blame them for wanting to escape the middle east and it's not easy for people to change who they are. You have to remember that our ancestors didn't change when they arrived in the Americas. They did as much bad as they did good to the people who were already here, probably more bad. They sure didn't change and adapt to the natives' tribal ways. So, you can't expect any different of Muslims.
While I don't think they will assimilate well at all, I don't think we should close our doors and shun them. Seems like a bit of a cowardly thing to do. Maybe we should welcome them in and just beat some sense into them when they act up.K:
Figuratively speaking of course :noid: .
Isn't that the approach the Red Indians took?
HisServant
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Unlike North Korea, we would not kill these radicals... we would send them back peacefully to their place of origin with the understanding that America was not the proper choice of place for them to immigrate to.
I understand what their book says and those that actually follow it are what others call the radicals.
No difference between a liberal christian and a moderate muslim - neither believe their books.
Tinark
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Then you would know it says these things:
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. - The Cow 2:256
Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil. (Al-Tirmidhi)
Now if they incline toward peace, then incline to it, and place your trust in God, for God is the all-hearing, the all-knowing (8:61)
Truly those who keep the faith, and the Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabaeans -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and performs virtuous deeds -- surely their reward is with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, neither shall they grieve. (2:62)
Regardless, there are hundreds of millions of Muslims that don't follow everything in the book. Same with Christians.
If you want to hear an enlightened conversation about how to deal with Islam and what is actually at the core of the problem rather than your hate filled right wing blogs, then listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd4-WXw2SM
You are cherry picking to suit your pacifist agenda?
"The Qur'an contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with non-believers. Some are quite graphic with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called hypocrites and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. Qur'an: (2:191-193) 'And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers.
Also Sura's: (2:244; 2;16; 3:56; 3:15; 4:74; 4:95; 5:33; 8:12, I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." From "The Religion of Peace.com" home page.
Recently an Imam was quoted as saying that beating of woman is an act of love.
Quetzal
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Let's be fair and honest. Christianity cherry picks to support agendas all the time.
True. And when the topic is Christianity I may address it.
Tinark
Active member
All religion is cherry picking and interpretation to suit one's own view, my dear.
You and Angel pick out all the violent nasty stuff to tarnish all Muslims. However, since the Quran, as well as the Old Testament, New Testament, The Vedas, etc. are chock full of contradictions, one picks and focuses on the stuff they like and "interprets" away the stuff they don't.
To say that "all devout Muslims must embrace all the nasty bits in their texts" is a blatant lie. Focus on the individuals who actually embrace the nasty bits and don't tarnish those who do not under the same brush, which is done on this board ALL......THE.....TIME.
Please, if you want to see a good enlightened conversation rather than the drivel that is typical on the topic, you must listen to this conversation. You don't have to agree with it, just listen to it. You'll be surprised how much you learn. It is a conversation between a moderate secular Muslim who fully understands the dangers of Islamism (defined as the desire to impose one's own version of Islam on all of society) and its incompatibility with Western values and provides recommendations on how to best combat it and an Atheist who thinks Islam is a particularly nasty and violent religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd4-WXw2SM
I can get behind that idea.
kiwimacahau
Well-known member
Perhaps you do not realise that your freedom to worship and theirs are joined at the hip? Once you throw someone else out because of their beliefs it can only be a short time until it's you.
A few years ago at our church, our priest asked the congregation, If your native language is not English, come up to the front at Pentecost and say a short prayer in your native tongue. Our church has a membership of around 300, and we had a prayer in 39 languages.
Integration is taking place all the time, we have to adapt, it cannot be them and us. We have to strive towards making our country a better place for all people, not just Christian.