MOVIE TITLES THAT RELATE TO THE URANTIA BOOK?

[freelight]

You're mis-interpreting alot..........

You're mis-interpreting alot..........

You. Yourself said it was incompatible with Christianity and the New Testament. You are pretty close to Baha'i faith in doctrine and could mix rather well with them. The problem with both is that Christianity is exclusive, as you've admitted to, which is what I said: A pick and choose theology. As far at the drug example, I was only using the reasoning that certain druggy rockers would use in liking the Urantia, not aimed at you in particular. The Ub doesn't require a conversion.

I know this was to Caino, but I'd like to add:

As noted, you're misinterpreting a lot. Turning to 'God' is a 'conversion' of sorts, so your statement above does not hold. Again, if you read the papers to know what they teach in its totality about God and his relationship to mortals, you'd know these things, instead of presupposing stuff.

It is what you already are and 'makes you feel good' about the 'god already inside you.' It is Eastern religion, philosophy, and mysticism. There is no wonder that Paul J has spent time with India guru's, this is more of the same.

More assumptions. While Jesus DID say the 'kingdom of heaven' is inside of you, this doesn't make the kingdom-experience strictly limited to an eastern concept of 'mysticism', - in fact the UB generally discounts mystical experience, inner voices/visions and the like for a more practical spiritually intelligent relationship with God, which focuses on DOING HIS WILL. This is the central theme Jesus preaches, that each of are to attain perfection, by striving to be "perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect",....this 'perfection' is one of love, inner integrity and service to God and others (since all are extensions of God).

These are all 'find the truth within' cults and man-made religions because it appeals to man, as you just now attested to as well.

Still presuming things, making blanket-judgments, lumping this with that, on presumption.

"You don't like" the God of the Bible so prefer the kinder gentler religion that wouldn't hurt a fly.

More presupposition.

God for you is a concept and you, so you don't have to change a wit to be Urantian. It is a pleasant journey into 'me, be myself, and god is me.'

This is a gross misrepresentation if I've ever seen one. Wow. Real God is actually beyond any 'conception' whatsoever,...but we use words and concepts to describe Deity. On that note,...how do you know that your 'idea' or 'image' of 'God' is not JUST a 'concept'? The 'God' presented in the papers is more than just a concept of course, but his character as a loving Father is the first foremost concept of us describing him 'relationally' to us. Truth does demand that one change in accord to its principles, its eternal laws. The UB demands a most courageous and loyal faith!

There you go, your true colors. You ▲are against Him/don't like Him ▲ and especially because you have no control over Him and what He might do, let alone that He can move and think and do, without your input at all. Your faith is in 'you.' The U-rantia is all "U." It allows you to accept and do nothing but feel-good. Rather than finding a god on his terms, you found one on yours.
You are your own god.

Spoiler

Way off here, all over the place. Miss.

Deuteronomy 9:8You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 9You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 10but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Quoting the God of the Jews here, does not apply really, but if you want to apply this as a universal standard of 'idolatry',....any concept or image of 'God' can serve as a false or erroneous 'idol'. Any theological concept can be included here, - any image or caricature of God hailed as 'true' or worshipped unduly and unnecessarily, can be an IDOL. Before pointing fingers or assuming another of false theology, we might wanna look in our own closet of skeletons, and see if our own 'religion' might need some renovation or polishing up. Courage includes facing the possibility that all your concepts of God could be wrong, and you'd be ready to DROP any that are erroneous, for a truer revelation.



pj

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

pj

Freelight, you must keep reminding yourself that, the UB is a work
of the occult! You also need to remember that, you're a cultist on
a Christian forum! You're not even welcome on this forum! They,
'allow' you to speak your garbage however, nobody accepts it,
not even the owner of the forum; as you've been told!

Everybody knows that you and Caino are, way out there! Your
"Sci-Fi" imagination/ego won't allow you to realize that you're
'unwelcome visitors!'

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

When really its you who are defensive like someone in a cult. The truth of the UB has gotten under your thin skin, else you wouldn't care like 99% of the other TOL members just don't bother.

They don't bother because, they think you two are "Wackos!" I wish
to remind everyone of that fact! How's that sound?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

But your missing the fact of the detractors here, being those MISREPRESENTING the UB as a UFO cult which it is NOT. I've corrected this time and time again. HERE. So, those 'lying' are the detractors here, since I'm being 'integrous' and 'correct' in my presentation of the UB, serving as an expositor/expounder in the interest of 'creative dialogue'. That's what I've done here for over 10 years on a variety of religious subjects.

Blah! blah! blah! The Internet calls you guys a "UFO Cult!" Why
do you think that is? It's kind of humorous how you continue to
defend such garbage! The Urantia Book is just that, "garbage!"

By defending such ludicrous nonsense, you make yourself look;
"Not all there!" You know, mentally/emotionally unstable? Why
do you do that to yourself?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Intolerance Rebuked
…39But Jesus said, "Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. 40"For he who is not against us is for us. 41"For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his reward.​

Oh but Atheist are welcome all over TOL.

Atheists are easier to deal with than, Occultists/Cultists! You
two winners fall in that category!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The Urantia Book had its beginnings in the "Occult!" Strange "entities"
floating around in the universe decided to choose a "Human Conduit"
in which to speak through! Do you "Nutso's" deny that? The "Conduit"
would fall into a deep sleep and a secretary would write down everything
the entities (through the conduit) would speak! The Kellogg Cereal people
were connected to this bizarre cult, right? You guys claim to have a million
followers? Doubtful? I don't think there's that many "Oddballs" in the world,
that would believe this mess?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

This junk came about in 1955, around the same time, L. Ron Hubbard's "Dianetics"
came out! You know him? The creator of Scientology!

 

[WizardofOz]

You're not even welcome on this forum!

Says who! Grosnick! Marowbe! What do you know!

 

[Lon]

Courage includes facing the possibility that all your concepts of God could be wrong, and you'd be ready to DROP any that are erroneous, for a truer revelation.



pj

There you go. You guys are trying desperately not to say it, but then actually do say it, if begrudgingly: The UB is incompatible with Christianity. Just say it. Of course I realize that you are trying to assimilate, but only pieces and some of the easier truths, like John Lennon groupies.

Just be honest about the incompatibility you both are repeatedly on record, even just now, in making. BECAUSE it is against Christianity, all your other appeals fall to the wayside as 'incidentals' to the conflict of interest. I don't really feel like nitpicking when you've lost the larger picture due to incompatibility, that lesser incidentals of agreement or disagreement aren't necessary. The big picture is that the Urantia papers are incompatible with Christianity. That's enough said.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Says who! Grosnick! Marowbe! What do you know!

Inzl Kett is against them and so is Knight! They think the Urantians
are strange!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Says who! Grosnick! Marowbe! What do you know!

Hey Wiz, are you interested in becoming a Urantian? You're always defending them?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Wiz is either interested in becoming a member or he feels sorry for them?

 

[Lon]

Blah! blah! blah! The Internet calls you guys a "UFO Cult!" Why
do you think that is? It's kind of humorous how you continue to
defend such garbage! The Urantia Book is just that, "garbage!"

By defending such ludicrous nonsense, you make yourself look;
"Not all there!" You know, mentally/emotionally unstable? Why
do you do that to yourself?

Not only that, they talk about UFO's often on the Urantia forums, with no apologies and 'intended' connection. I don't really understand PJ's aversion to that. Is he less convinced in UFO's than Urantia? Why promote both from signature? I'd guess it has to do with little green men visiting a man faking/beset w/ paralysis. Lots of them believe in both so I'm not understanding the problem. :idunno:

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

There you go. You guys are trying desperately not to say it, but then actually do say it, if begrudgingly: The UB is incompatible with Christianity. Just say it. Of course I realize that you are trying to assimilate, but only pieces and some of the easier truths, like John Lennon groupies.

Just be honest about the incompatibility you both are repeatedly on record, even just now, in making. BECAUSE it is against Christianity, all your other appeals fall to the wayside as 'incidentals' to the conflict of interest. I don't really feel like nitpicking when you've lost the larger picture due to incompatibility, that lesser incidentals of agreement or disagreement aren't necessary. The big picture is that the Urantia papers are incompatible with Christianity. That's enough said.

True!

 

[Caino]

QUOTE=Lon;4298616]You. Yourself said it was incompatible with Christianity and the New Testament. You are pretty close to Baha'i faith in doctrine and could mix rather well with them. The problem with both is that Christianity is exclusive, as you've admitted to, which is what I said: A pick and choose theology. As far at the drug example, I was only using the reasoning that certain druggy rockers would use in liking the Urantia, not aimed at you in particular. The Ub doesn't require a conversion. It is what you already are and 'makes you feel good' about the 'god already inside you.' It is Eastern religion, philosophy, and mysticism. There is no wonder that Paul J has spent time with India guru's, this is more of the same. These are all 'find the truth within' cults and man-made religions because it appeals to man, as you just now attested to as well. "You don't like" the God of the Bible so prefer the kinder gentler religion that wouldn't hurt a fly. God for you is a concept and you, so you don't have to change a wit to be Urantian. It is a pleasant journey into 'me, be myself, and god is me.'


There you go, your true colors. You ▲are against Him/don't like Him ▲ and especially because you have no control over Him and what He might do, let alone that He can move and think and do, without your input at all. Your faith is in 'you.' The U-rantia is all "U." It allows you to accept and do nothing but feel-good. Rather than finding a god on his terms, you found one on yours.
You are your own god.

Spoiler

Deuteronomy 9:8You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 9You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 10but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.[/QUOTE]

* Lon, the preist class made an idol out of the Bible books that they wrote (all religions do) you can't think outside of your particular interpretation of their box. You are every bit as guilty of the fetish making tendency you are falsely accusing me of. I don't fault you for your sincere faith, which you likly know is a gift from God, just this theory that human writings are divine and perfect.

* I don't belive that you really think that I hate God any more than you truly believe that Hillary Clinton wiped her computer of personal, recipe swapping Emails to free up a little spce! You are using a flavor of quibleing legalisms like the enemies of Jesus did to technically, falsely accuse me of hating God simply because I don't trust the writings of the preistly elite who were capable of killing the Son of God.

* Two notable discourses that Jesus gave in the UB will address your misunderstanding about the UB way being and easier softer, no conversion needed way. You could not be any more wrong......but you haven't really read the book so????

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(1729.2) 155:5.7 And then the Master, in his hour of teaching, went on to make clear these truths:

(1729.3) 155:5.8 Until the races become highly intelligent and more fully civilized, there will persist many of those childlike and superstitious ceremonies which are so characteristic of the evolutionary religious practices of primitive and backward peoples. Until the human race progresses to the level of a higher and more general recognition of the realities of spiritual experience, large numbers of men and women will continue to show a personal preference for those religions of authority which require only intellectual assent, in contrast to the religion of the spirit, which entails active participation of mind and soul in the faith adventure of grappling with the rigorous realities of progressive human experience.

(1729.4) 155:5.9 The acceptance of the traditional religions of authority presents the easy way out for man’s urge to seek satisfaction for the longings of his spiritual nature. The settled, crystallized, and established religions of authority afford a ready refuge to which the distracted and distraught soul of man may flee when harassed by fear and tormented by uncertainty. Such a religion requires of its devotees, as the price to be paid for its satisfactions and assurances, only a passive and purely intellectual assent.

(1729.5) 155:5.10 And for a long time there will live on earth those timid, fearful, and hesitant individuals who will prefer thus to secure their religious consolations, even though, in so casting their lot with the religions of authority, they compromise the sovereignty of personality, debase the dignity of self-respect, and utterly surrender the right to participate in that most thrilling and inspiring of all possible human experiences: the personal quest for truth, the exhilaration of facing the perils of intellectual discovery, the determination to explore the realities of personal religious experience, the supreme satisfaction of experiencing the personal triumph of the actual realization of the victory of spiritual faith over intellectual doubt as it is honestly won in the supreme adventure of all human existence — man seeking God, for himself and as himself, and finding him.

(1729.6) 155:5.11 The religion of the spirit means effort, struggle, conflict, faith, determination, love, loyalty, and progress. The religion of the mind — the theology of authority — requires little or none of these exertions from its formal believers. Tradition is a safe refuge and an easy path for those fearful and halfhearted souls who instinctively shun the spirit struggles and mental uncertainties associated with those faith voyages of daring adventure out upon the high seas of unexplored truth in search for the farther shores of spiritual realities as they may be discovered by the progressive human mind and experienced by the evolving human soul. UB 1955
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[Aimiel]

Quoting the God of the Jews here, does not apply really, but if you want to apply this as a universal standard of 'idolatry',....any concept or image of 'God' can serve as a false or erroneous 'idol'. Any theological concept can be included here, - any image or caricature of God hailed as 'true' or worshipped unduly and unnecessarily, can be an IDOL. Before pointing fingers or assuming another of false theology, we might wanna look in our own closet of skeletons, and see if our own 'religion' might need some renovation or polishing up. Courage includes facing the possibility that all your concepts of God could be wrong, and you'd be ready to DROP any that are erroneous, for a truer revelation.

Indeed, this is the aim of every cult that has come along since the apostles first confronted the spirit of false religion in the form of a demon who spoke through a woman and said that they were showing them the way of salvation.

And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: the same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

The same spirit is trying to say the same thing through Urantia, that the truth can be found through lying spirits like the one speaking through her. The lies in Urantia are the same lies demons have been throwing in the path of men since Eden. If we have God inside of us and are secure in our salvation, these lies will not steer us off-course. If we fall for the lies we are prey to the enemy and become his servant, as Freelight and Caino are. The time is coming when the very elect may be deceived by such lies. It's here now. We need to pray for our brethren, indeed, we need to pray for all men.

 

[Caino]

For Lon in answer to misunderstanding. This is one of the fundamental reasons that the authorities of Judaism hated Jesus so bitterly:

(1729.7) 155:5.12 And Jesus went on to say: “At Jerusalem the religious leaders have formulated the various doctrines of their traditional teachers and the prophets of other days into an established system of intellectual beliefs, a religion of authority. The appeal of all such religions is largely to the mind. And now are we about to enter upon a deadly conflict with such a religion since we will so shortly begin the bold proclamation of a new religion — a religion which is not a religion in the present-day meaning of that word, a religion that makes its chief appeal to the divine spirit of my Father which resides in the mind of man; a religion which shall derive its authority from the fruits of its acceptance that will so certainly appear in the personal experience of all who really and truly become believers in the truths of this higher spiritual communion.”

(1730.1) 155:5.13 Pointing out each of the twenty-four and calling them by name, Jesus said: “And now, which one of you would prefer to take this easy path of conformity to an established and fossilized religion, as defended by the Pharisees at Jerusalem, rather than to suffer the difficulties and persecutions attendant upon the mission of proclaiming a better way of salvation to men while you realize the satisfaction of discovering for yourselves the beauties of the realities of a living and personal experience in the eternal truths and supreme grandeurs of the kingdom of heaven? Are you fearful, soft, and ease-seeking? Are you afraid to trust your future in the hands of the God of truth, whose sons you are? Are you distrustful of the Father, whose children you are? Will you go back to the easy path of the certainty and intellectual settledness of the religion of traditional authority, or will you gird yourselves to go forward with me into that uncertain and troublous future of proclaiming the new truths of the religion of the spirit, the kingdom of heaven in the hearts of men?”


(1730.2) 155:5.14 All twenty-four of his hearers rose to their feet, intending to signify their united and loyal response to this, one of the few emotional appeals which Jesus ever made to them, but he raised his hand and stopped them, saying: “Go now apart by yourselves, each man alone with the Father, and there find the unemotional answer to my question, and having found such a true and sincere attitude of soul, speak that answer freely and boldly to my Father and your Father, whose infinite life of love is the very spirit of the religion we proclaim.”​

 

[Caino]

Indeed, this is the aim of every cult that has come along since the apostles first confronted the spirit of false religion in the form of a demon who spoke through a woman and said that they were showing them the way of salvation.

And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: the same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

The same spirit is trying to say the same thing through Urantia, that the truth can be found through lying spirits like the one speaking through her. The lies in Urantia are the same lies demons have been throwing in the path of men since Eden. If we have God inside of us and are secure in our salvation, these lies will not steer us off-course. If we fall for the lies we are prey to the enemy and become his servant, as Freelight and Caino are. The time is coming when the very elect may be deceived by such lies. It's here now. We need to pray for our brethren, indeed, we need to pray for all men.

Superstitious nonsense based in bigoted intolerance, the same closed minded, fear based, pride nourished, inconsistent and ignorant thinking that the Jews had towards Jesus!

The real Luciferian inspired teaching is promoted by Atheism on TOL! Demons don't promote faith in God, and your argument makes God a technocratic lawyer not a living Loving Father.

Aimiel has the religious pride which prevents the God of his faith from teaching him any more!?!? With that bigoted mind God could never reach his heart! Absolutely no different than the self righteous Jews who ALSO hid behind the scripture to withstand Jesus' new teachings! How clueless!

 

[Aimiel]

Superstitious nonsense based in bigoted intolerance, the same closed minded, fear based, pride nourished, inconsistent and ignorant thinking that the Jews had towards Jesus!

You do promote superstitious nonsense, I agree! Your intolerance is intolerable, your closed-minded, fear-based and pride-nourished, inconsistent and ignorance is unique to Urantians. Seems you're most hateful of born again Christians, just like the Jews were towards all Christians in early days.

Demons don't promote faith in God, and your argument makes God a technocratic lawyer not a living Loving Father.

You're right, your book prohibits people from finding faith in God, since it nullifies Jesus' Blood and gives people mis-information about God's Truths. The Urantia book, being half-truths is exactly equal to WHOLE-LIES.

Aimiel has the religious pride which prevents the God of his faith from teaching him any more!

Actually, God, Who lives in me, teaches me something new every single moment of every single day.

With that bigoted mind God could never reach his heart!

My heart is where He lives. He is my heart.

Absolutely no different than the self righteous Jews who ALSO hid behind the scripture to withstand Jesus' new teachings!

I'm not hiding. My hiding-place is under His Wings.

How clueless!

I agree... you and anyone who follows Urantia are completely clueless about Truth. :duh:

 

[Aimiel]

If anything the inconsustant moral example of the God, created larlgy in mans own image, in the Hebrews preistly writings, has turned a great many people off. You won't find God in the UB accused of any of the atrocities of the Bible...

There it is... your false god was designed to scratch your itching ears.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The UB is fiction. Fables. Phony. It says what you want to hear. God's Word is Truth. Urantia is nothing but lies.