ECT More evidence that Preterism is a cult

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Danoh

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northwye, do you even have an original thought, or know what one is?

Your parroted dribble (repeated in the spoiler below) is nothing more than the viewpoint of some cult-like individuals against some other cult-like individuals - yourself included.

These issues are context driven.

Context identified by Scripture as context that is never this "one size fits all, and anyone who says otherwise is in a cult" dribble of yours.

These issues are driven by one context within in contrast to another within Scripture, that you in your ignorance ignore, and by it would have Isaiah concluding Paul..."in a cult."

Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Romans 6:14 "...ye are not under the law, but under grace."

Because you...reject Dispensationalism, in accordance with your manmade definitions; including your fool, parroted definition, that Dispensationalism is a cult.

You are just one more...spiritual moron.

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northwye said:
Walter Martin in his book, The Kingdom of the Cults said,
"By the term cult I mean nothing derogatory to any group so classified. A cult, as I
define it, is any religious group which differs significantly in one or more respects as to
belief or practice from those religious groups which are regarded as the normative
expressions of religion in our total culture."

The problem with this definition is that Martin does not say that a cult's doctrines differ significantly from
scripture itself. Martin says a cult's beliefs differ significantly from "the normative
expressions of religion in our total culture." This could mean that a cult's interpretation of scripture differs significantly from that which is normative or generally accepted.

But a cult - defined as having significantly different beliefs than the normative at the time - can take over many Christian denominations and itself become that which is normative. Which is what happened with dispensationalism from the late 19th century to about 1960-1970.

There are several New Testament scriptures which do not agree with the fundamental dispensationalist doctrines of consistent literalism in interpretation and that God ow has two peoples, Old Covenant Israel and the Church, with a Capital C. Some of these are John 10: 16, Romans 12: 4-5, Ephesians 4: 4, Romans 2: 28-29, Romans 9: 6-8, Romans 11: 17-20, II Corinthians 3: 6-11, Galatians 3: 3, 16-17, 27-29, Galatians 4: 24-26, and Hebrews 10: 9.

Some will argue that the fundamental doctrines of dispensationalism which became Christian Zionism, include the assumption or postulate that God now has two peoples, Old Covenant Israel and the Church. But to avoid confusion about what this theology is you have to define it according to quotes from its founders.

The scriptures listed above when compared with the fundamental doctrines of dispensationalism show that he theology differs significantly from scripture on the continuation of Old Covenant Israel and the Old Covenant after the Day of Pentecost.

Here is a quote from he Kingdom of the Cults, "The student of cultism, then, must be prepared to
scale the language barrier of terminology. First, he
must recognize that it does exist, and second, he must acknowledge the very real fact that unless terms
are defined when one is either speaking or reading cult theology, the semantic jungle that the cults have
created will envelop him, making difficult, if not impossible, a proper contrast between the teachings of
the cults and those of orthodox Christianity. "

"The well-trained cultist will carefully avoid de
finition of terms concerning cardinal doctrines
such as the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the Atonement, the bodily resurrection of our Lord, the process
of salvation by grace and justification by faith. If pressed
in these areas, he will redefine the terms to fit
the semantic framework of orthodoxy unless he is forced to define his terms explicitly. "

"First and foremost, the belief systems of the cults are characterized by closed-mindedness. They are
not interested in a rational cognitive evaluation of the facts. The organizational structure interprets the
facts to the cultist, generally invoking the Bible and/or its respective founder as the ultimate source of
its pronouncements. Such belief systems are in isolation; they never shift to logical consistency. They
exist in what we might describe as separate compartments in the cultist’s mind and are almost incapable
of penetration or disruption if the individual cultist is completely committed to the authority pattern of
his organization. Although many people are closed-minded about their religious faith, including many Christians,
cultists are usually closed-minded not only because of their own determinations, but also because the
cults almost invariably teach their followers not to
question, not to interact with outsiders."

"Secondly, cultic belief systems are characterized by genuine antagonism on a personal level since
the cultist almost always identifies his dislike of
the Christian message with the messenger who holds
such opposing beliefs. "

This gets close to the dialectic method of argument to promote and defend the doctrines of cults. Often cults set up direct oppositions between their doctrines - or their interpretations of scripture with their unique definition of words - and orthodox Christian doctrines from scripture.

"Secondly, cultic belief systems are characterized by genuine antagonism on a personal level since
the cultist almost always identifies his dislike of
the Christian message with the messenger who holds
such opposing beliefs. learned, and possessed of a genuine love for the welfare of the cultist himself (which is easily
detectable in the Christian’s concern for his soul and spiritual well-being generally) can have a
devastating effect upon the conditioning apparatus of any cult system. "

And the cultists have defenses against this "devastating effect upon the conditioning apparatus of any cult system."

The cultists will learn how to personally attack the orthodox Christian to discredit him, and the cult has developed "theologically incorrect" labels to apply to orthodox Christians, almost like the Transformational Marxists use the political correct system to label their enemies racists, exists, etc.
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musterion

musterion

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
He's all talk and no substance.
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And the talk is borrowed. He's not comfortable and secure in it, like when you wear another man's shoes. That's why he's so contentious and was the first to get personally insulting with pretty much every MAD on TOL. EVERYTHING that's happened started with him. He's a troll.
 
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Danoh

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musterion said:
I believe no such thing. Your post is IP level stupidity, except he doesn't realize when he does it. You do.

You are a snide, passive aggressive, creepy troll. Have been since you arrived. Go hang out with Jordan.
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You post against Preterists citing their writers, and then cite Anderson to back up your assertions.

Very one sided and...cult-like...of you :chuckle:
 
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Danoh

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musterion said:
And the talk is borrowed. He's not comfortable and secure in it, like when you wear another man's shoes. That's why he's so contentious and was the first to get personally insulting with pretty much every MAD on TOL. EVERYTHING that's happened started with him. He's a troll.
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Lol, I'm not the one ever quoting the words of others - you are.

And one should be tougher on one's own than on those without.

Especially where one's own are...cult-like.

As SOME of you CLEARLY...are.

Right off, you each read and or turn anything pointed out to any of you into a personal vendetta.

Your gospel of grace appears to be missing...grace - all the above is very...cult-like :chuckle:

Amusing...
 
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Danoh

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heir said:
Believing 2 Timothy 3:16 does not make one a "cult like individual", unbeliever.
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No, it certainly does not.

But typical of the cult-like individual, you are twisting my words - about your cult-like behavior - as being about your beliefs.

So much for your ability at distinctions between "things that are not the same."

I have been adressing cult-like behaviour, not Almost Acts 28 errors.

That...is a different subject.

And "things that are different are not the same."

Things like your obviously erroneous belief that the "Translators" of the KJV were inspired this side of "that which is perfect," are not what I am adressing.

That is a different subject.
 
heir

heir

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Danoh said:
No, it certainly does not.

But typical of the cult-like individual, you are twisting my words - about your cult-like behavior - as being about your beliefs.

So much for your ability at distinctions between "things that are not the same."

I have been adressing cult-like behaviour, not Almost Acts 28 errors.

That...is a different subject.

And "things that are different are not the same."

Things like your obviously erroneous belief that the "Translators" of the KJV were inspired this side of "that which is perfect," are not what I am adressing.

That is a different subject.
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It's about believing "all scripture is given by inspiration of God", not "was given". It has nothing to do with men being inspired as I can only show from the scriptures that holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost (2 Peter 1:21 KJV). It's that the words of the Lord "are pure words" (Psalms 12:6-7 KJV). You don't believe it. That's on you.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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heir said:
It's about believing "all scripture is given by inspiration of God", not "was given". It has nothing to do with men being inspired as I can only show from the scriptures that holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost (2 Peter 1:21 KJV). It's that the words of the Lord "are pure words" (Psalms 12:6-7 KJV). You don't believe it. That's on you.
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Amen
 
patrick jane

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Danoh said:
Not all 66 books of the Bible were inspired.

Luke and Acts are two that are not, just as some of the other histories (in the OT) are not.

And not all that Paul wrote was inspired.

And throw out the KJV - it was not inspired.

Neither are its' book titles, and so on.

As for your Jordan comment, thanks for the compliment :chuckle:
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Blasphemy
 
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