Monday is Robert E. Lee day in Alabama.

[Angel4Truth]

Which is a swell sentiment. Doesn't change the fact that he fought for a despicable cause.

What cause would that be, states rights?

 

[drbrumley]

Which is a swell sentiment. Doesn't change the fact that he fought for a despicable cause.

And the North didn't? Are you really this dense or are you really trying hard to work at it today?

 

[Granite]

And the North didn't? Are you really this dense or are you really trying hard to work at it today?

Given a choice between the two, the Union was the better of the two causes. For me it comes down to the Cornerstone Speech. It's indefensible.

 

[drbrumley]

Given a choice between the two, the Union was the better of the two causes.

Now that is despicable. Alexander Stephens said correctly that slavery was more secure in the union than out of it because of the Fugitive Slave Clause, of which Lincoln strongly supported along with the Dred Scott decision.

For me it comes down to the Cornerstone Speech. It's indefensible.

There you have it folks. Sad indeed.

 

[musterion]

He's a privileged white leftist punk. There's nothing more to be expected of him.

 

[Granite]

Now that is despicable. Alexander Stephens said correctly that slavery was more secure in the union than out of it because of the Fugitive Slave Clause, of which Lincoln strongly supported along with the Dred Scott decision.

When was the last time you read that speech?

 

[drbrumley]

When was the last time you read that speech?

Lincoln's 1st inaugrial correct?

 

[Granite]

Lincoln's 1st inaugrial correct?

No. The Cornerstone Speech.

 

[drbrumley]

No. The Cornerstone Speech.

Ok, what about that speech? Lincoln along with the leaders of the Republican Party, were in agreement with Stephens. Not sure what point your trying to make.

 

[Granite]

Ok, what about that speech? Lincoln along with the leaders of the Republican Party, were in agreement with Stephens. Not sure what point your trying to make.

Lincoln's views on race at the very least evolved over time. To say he agreed with Stephens would be a mistake based on the facts.

If Stephens was correct, and if white supremacy was the cornerstone of the Confederacy, they most certainly were not occupiers of the moral high ground. Their cause was simply indefensible.

 

[Angel4Truth]

The main issue of the civil war, was about states rights, the secondary issue was slavery.

 

[drbrumley]

Lincoln's views on race at the very least evolved over time.

No it didn't.

To say he agreed with Stephens would be a mistake based on the facts.

Hardly!

If Stephens was correct, and if white supremacy was the cornerstone of the Confederacy, they most certainly were not occupiers of the moral high ground. Their cause was simply indefensible.

Didn't say they had the moral high ground. But your saying the North did. And based on the facts, that's incorrect. Lincoln held his racist views till the day he was killed.

 

[Granite]

No it didn't.

A stupefying response.

Didn't say they had the moral high ground. But your saying the North did.

Given a choice between the two, the Union was in a morally defensible position. The South wasn't.

And based on the facts, that's incorrect. Lincoln held his racist views till the day he was killed.

That simply isn't so. I think you know better.

 

[drbrumley]

The main issue of the civil war, was about states rights, the secondary issue was slavery.

Tarriffs. The south at that time in history was paying over 80%. So yeah basically states rights....so I agree.

 

[Angel4Truth]

A stupefying response.

He is right, it didnt, Lincoln wanted to free then deport them all to their own colonization, especially Liberia.

While it is true that Lincoln regarded slavery as an evil and harmful institution, it is also true, as this paper will show, that he shared the conviction of most Americans of his time, and of many prominent statesmen before and after him, that blacks could not be assimilated into white society. He rejected the notion of social equality of the races, and held to the view that blacks should be resettled abroad. As President, he supported projects to remove blacks from the United States.

The 'Great Emancipator' and the Issue of Race
Abraham Lincoln's Program of Black Resettlement

Given a choice between the two, the Union was in a morally defensible position. The South wasn't.

Then you believe the blacks should have been shippped out of the US in addition to the south paying higher taxes than others and not having any states rights?

That simply isn't so. I think you know better.

You have no idea what you are talking about on this issue, i suggest reading source documents and real history and even Lincolns own stances and statements on the issues, the paper i linked you to, is a very good start.

 

[Granite]

He is right, it didnt, Lincoln wanted to free then deport them all to their own colonization, especially Liberia.

He considered the idea, all right, but he--and everyone else--never really took it seriously.

Then you believe the blacks should have been shippped out of the US in addition to the south paying higher taxes than others and not having any states rights?

:yawn: Spare me.

 

[The Berean]

What Robert E. Lee biographies would ya'll recommend?

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

He sold out his country and committed high treason. There is nothing romantic about him, or what he fought for.

:doh: If it were England maybe. This is America; a civil war here is just aggressive negotiation.

"Treason" is an abused word. The Founding Fathers committed treason when we declared independence.

 

[oatmeal]

The issue boiled down to state's rights

The issue is relevant today

The government is to serve its citizens according to the Constitition, not the reverse

 

[Angel4Truth]

He considered the idea, all right, but he--and everyone else--never really took it seriously.

That is blatently false, loads of even our early fathers of this country, had spoken about the issue, including Thomas Jefferson who himself owned slaves, again check out what i linked you too, its a great place to start to learn actual history and has loads and loads of references you can also read.

:yawn: Spare me.

Remain ignorant, if that is what you wish.