Melchizedek is The Holy Spirit
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Jeremiah 32.17
Ah, Lord Yahweh! (Father) You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power (Holy Spirit) and Your outstretched arm (Son); not anything is too difficult for You,
keypurr
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Not that clear to a lot of us RD.
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His words were considered as from God.
No, I do not see Jesus worshipped. He taught us to pray to his father.
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keypurr
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We agree that the Holy Spirit is a great POWER, not a person then.
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No, because I'm not the one asserting something different than what is established, because the onus is on you to prove that Jesus is NOT God, where the Bible clearly states (to those who love God) that He is.
Nowhere in that passage does it indicate that Jesus is not God. If anything, the entire passage shows that He IS God.
"with the glory which I had with you before the world was" = preeminence of Christ (as in Philippians)
Being sent by the Father means exactly that. No more, no less.
No, you didn't already answer it, Keypurr, otherwise I wouldn't be posting it.
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” - Acts 5:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts5:3-4&version=NKJV
Explain how and why this verse is not calling the Holy Spirit God, when I have clearly shown (using color) why it is.
What is that supposed to mean? Less chance of error in/of what?
And? "YHWH" is a Hebrew word. The NT was written in Greek, the language which was most common in the land. Hebrew was rare, and hardly anyone knew or spoke it.
YHWH, being a Hebrew word, would not be known by the people reading Greek. Words like "THEON" and "THEOS" and "THEOU," all of which have the meaning of deity.
The problems are in only your head, Keypurr. That you insist that God is the author of confusion is heretical, if not blasphemous.
That's a cop out, Keypurr. We're on here to debate and discuss, not to "agree to disagree."
The Bible portrays the Holy Spirit as God. Don't believe me? look at the text I colored blue in this and my previous comment, and at Genesis 1:2.
That's a bait and switch, Keypurr.
"Agent" can mean both person and inanimate object.
The Holy Spirit is a Person. You're saying He's just an inanimate object.
The BIBLE calls the Holy Spirit God, making Him a Person.
Again, you cannot lie to or make angry an inanimate object.
It's perfectly clear. Whether you accept it or not is another matter entirely.
It doesn't matter what your view is. If it disagrees or doesn't line up with scripture, and yours clearly does, it's wrong.
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By the way, I noticed you did not respond to this very important point I made. Are you intentionally ignoring it, because it casts away all doubt that Jesus is God, thereby proving all your arguments wrong? or have you not read those verses yet and are still composing your reply to them? If the latter, let me know, and I'll be patient (for a season), but if it's the former, then you're a coward who can't accept what Scripture says, and who can't admit when he's wrong.
| That's because Moses did speak for God. Whether they considered it or not has nothing to do with it. In the Old Testament (NKJV), we count about 420 times that "Thus saith the Lord" is used. Yet not once in the New Testament is "Thus saith the Lord" used. Instead, Jesus says "I say unto you" 135 times in the NT. God's messengers' messages were God focused. Jesus' message was focused on Himself, ego-centric. And not only that, but that HE HIMSELF WAS THE MESSAGE. The following list shows that unlike the righteous priests and kings, prophets and the apostles, the Lord focused His message on Himself: “Follow Me” 19x Mt. 4:19; 8:22; 10:38; 16:24; 19:21; Mk. 1:17; 2:14; 8:34; 10:21; Lk. 5:27; 9:59; 18:22; Jn. 1:43; 8:12; 10:27; 12:26; 13:36; 21:19, 22 Pray and act “in My name” 18x Mt. 7:22; 18:5; 18:20; [24:5]; Mk. 9:37, 39, 41; [13:6]; Lk. 9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; Jn. 14:13?14; 15:16; 16:23?24, 26; Acts 9:15 “the Holy Spirit” comes “in My name” Jn. 14:26 “for My name’s sake” leave family and property Mt. 19:29; or even be killed 5x Mt. 24:9; [Lk. 21:12, 17;] Jn. 15:21; Acts 9:16 Believe in the “name of the… Son” and “in the Son” 3x Jn. 3:18, 36; 9:35 and “in Him [Jesus]” 4x Jn. 3:18; 6:29, 40; 8:31 “believe in Me” 14x Mt. 18:6; Mk. 9:42; Jn. 3:15?16, 18; 6:35, 47; 7:38; 11:25, 26; 12:44, 46; 14:1, 12; 16:8; 17:20 You “are sanctified by faith in Me” Acts 26:18 Live “in Me” Jn. 11:26 “come after Me” Mk. 8:34; Lk. 14:27 Abide “in Me” Jn. 15:2, 4:5, 7 “abide in Me” or else Jn. 15:6 “abide in My love” Jn. 15:9?10 “where two or three are gathered” Jesus is “there in the midst of them” Mt. 18:20 So too: “I [Jesus, will abide] in you” Jn. 15:4?5 “know that I am He” Jn. 8:28 or “if you do not believe that I am He you will die in your sins” Jn. 8:24 Do things “for My sake” Mt. 10:22, 39; even lose your life “for My sake” 4x Mt. 16:25; Mk. 8:35; 10:29; Lk. 6:22 “I never knew you, depart from Me” Mt. 7:23 “I am willing; be cleansed” Mt. 8:3; Mk.. 1:41 ”confess Me” Mt. 10:32; Lk. 12:8 Do not deny “Me” 7x Mt. 10:33; 26:34; Mk. 14:30, 72; Lk. 12:9; 22:34; Jn. 13:38 Do not be “ashamed of Me” Mk. 8:38; Lk. 9:26 nor "My words" “love Me” 5x Jn. 14:15, 21, 23?24, 28 Do not reject “Me” Lk. 10:16; Jn. 12:48 “He who is not with Me is against Me” Lk. 11:23 Love Me “more than” your family members Mt. 10:37; [Lk. 14:26] “I… have loved you” Jn. 15:9, 12 Be “worthy of Me” Mt. 10:37?38 “Come to Me” 5x Mt. 11:28; Lk. 6:47; Jn. 5:40; 6:35; 7:37 “I will give you rest” Mt. 11:28 “For My yoke is easy and My burden is light” Mt. 11:30 I am “greater than the temple” “than Jonah” “than Solomon” Mt. 12:6, 41?42 I am “Lord even of the Sabbath” Mt. 12:8; Mk. 2:28; Lk. 6:5 [Lord of God's Ten Commandments] Thus He says keep “My commandments” 4x Jn. 14:15, 21; 15:10, 12 “You are My friends if you do whatever I command you” Jn. 15:14 “keep My word” Jn. 14:23?24 “He who is not with Me is against Me” Mt. 12:30 The angels are “His angels” Mt. 13:41; 16:27 and He commands “His angels” Mt. 24:31; Mk. 13:27 The kingdom is “His kingdom” Mt. 13:41 and He calls it “My kingdom” Lk. 22:30 Jesus called it “My church” Mt. 16:18 and believers are “My sheep” Jn. 10:14, 27 and they are “His elect” Mt. 24:31; Mk. 13:27 Paul is a “vessel of Mine to bear My name” Acts 9:15 “all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine” Jn. 17:10 “My peace I give” Jn. 14:27 ”in Me you may have peace” Jn. 16:33 “My joy” should fill you Jn. 15:11 “Who do men say that I am?” Mt. 16:13; Mk. 8:27 “who do you say that I am?” Mt. 16:15 Receive “Me” Mt. 18:5; Mk. 9:37; Lk. 9:48 Heaven and earth will pass away but “My words” will never Mt. [5:18] 24:35; Mk. 13:31; Lk. 21:33 Tell others about Jesus Mk. 5:19 “you belong to Christ” Mk. 9:41 Hear “My sayings” and do them Lk. 6:47 Jesus has “His own glory” Lk. 9:26; [Jn. 2:11; 16:14] The Son is “glorified” 8x Jn. 11:4; 12:23; 13:31?32; [17:1, 5, 10 24] “He who hears you hears Me” Lk. 10:16 Jesus expects praise, from stones if necessary 1x Lk. 19:37?40 Return “to Me” Lk. 22:32 Be “My disciple” Lk. 14:27; Jn. 8:31; 15:8 Forsake all to “be My disciple” Lk. 14:33 ”you are My disciples” Jn. 13:35 “I shall send… the [Holy] Spirit” Jn. 15:26; 16:7 The Holy Spirit “will testify of Me” Jn. 15:26 We read in John 5 and Luke 24 that “the Scriptures… testify of Me” Jn. 5:39; [Lk. 24:44] “You [Apostles] also will bear witness [of Me] because you have been with Me” Jn. 15:27 Paul gives “testimony concerning Me” Acts 22:18; 23:11 “the Son gives life to whom He will” Jn. 5:21 “seek Me” Jn. 6:26 Serve “Me” Jn. 12:26 “all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father” Jn. 5:23 “I am the bread of life,” “of heaven,” “of God” Jn. 6: 32-33, 35, 41, [48,] 51 Just seeing Christ is reason enough to believe [Jn. 6:36] him” Jn. 6:56 Drink “My blood” and eat “My flesh” Jn. 6:53?54, 56 “I will raise him up at the last day” Jn. 6:40 for He is the resurrection “The world… hates Me” Jn. 7:7 “I am the light of the world” Jn. 8:12; 9:5; 12:46 “I bear witness of Myself” 1x Jn. 8:13-14, 18 “know… Jesus Christ” for “eternal life” Jn. 17:3; [8:19; 10:10, 14] “the Son makes you free” Jn. 8:36 “Abraham rejoiced to see My day” Jn. 8:56; “Before Abraham was, I AM” Jn. 8:58 Of believers, Christ said, “I know them” Jn. 10:27 “I give them eternal life” Jn. 10:28 “I am the resurrection and the life” Jn. 11:25 I “will draw all peoples to Myself” Jn. 12:32 “I will… receive you to Myself” Jn. 14:3 Be “Mine” Jn. 14:24 “I am the vine” Jn. 15:5 “without Me you can do nothing” Jn. 15:5 “You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you” Jn. 15:16 Those who oppress Christians are “persecuting Me” Acts 9:4?5; 22:7?8; 26:14?15 “because they have not known… Me” Jn. 16:3 The Spirit “will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it” Jn. 16:14 “All things that the Father has are Mine” Jn. 16:15 “the Father… loves you, because you have loved Me” Jn. 16:27 “If I will that he remain” Jn. 21:22 “I have overcome the world” Jn. 16:33 “I am the way” Jn. 14:6 “I am… the truth” Jn. 14:6 “I am… the life” Jn. 14:6 “I will… manifest Myself” Jn. 14:21 Jesus isn't just speaking for God. He is God speaking. |
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Indeed, and that's YOUR problem!
The Bible says that lying to the Holy Ghost is lying to GOD!
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So you believe it was YHWH who walked and talked with the humans in the garden?
keypurr
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No, it is each person's job to prove their faith. You do not have the answers JR
No where does it say that Jesus existed at the creation.
I did but you do not wish to see the opinions of others who differ from you'
Greek has distorted the scriptures in places.
The original were written in Hebrew and ramaic and then translated into the Greek.
Its not my fault that your unable to search the scriptures and find truth. You a churchman more than you are a Christian
Believe as you wish, stay in the dark.
Truth hurts JR
I stand by MY faith. Shorten your posts or I will not respond to them.
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By the way, I noticed you did not respond to this very important point I made. Are you intentionally ignoring it, because it casts away all doubt that Jesus is God, thereby proving all your arguments wrong? or have you not read those verses yet and are still composing your reply to them? If the latter, let me know, and I'll be patient (for a season), but if it's the former, then you're a coward who can't accept what Scripture says, and who can't admit when he's wrong.
| That's because Moses did speak for God. Whether they considered it or not has nothing to do with it. In the Old Testament (NKJV), we count about 420 times that "Thus saith the Lord" is used. Yet not once in the New Testament is "Thus saith the Lord" used. Instead, Jesus says "I say unto you" 135 times in the NT. God's messengers' messages were God focused. Jesus' message was focused on Himself, ego-centric. And not only that, but that HE HIMSELF WAS THE MESSAGE. The following list shows that unlike the righteous priests and kings, prophets and the apostles, the Lord focused His message on Himself: “Follow Me” 19x Mt. 4:19; 8:22; 10:38; 16:24; 19:21; Mk. 1:17; 2:14; 8:34; 10:21; Lk. 5:27; 9:59; 18:22; Jn. 1:43; 8:12; 10:27; 12:26; 13:36; 21:19, 22 Pray and act “in My name” 18x Mt. 7:22; 18:5; 18:20; [24:5]; Mk. 9:37, 39, 41; [13:6]; Lk. 9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; Jn. 14:13?14; 15:16; 16:23?24, 26; Acts 9:15 “the Holy Spirit” comes “in My name” Jn. 14:26 “for My name’s sake” leave family and property Mt. 19:29; or even be killed 5x Mt. 24:9; [Lk. 21:12, 17;] Jn. 15:21; Acts 9:16 Believe in the “name of the… Son” and “in the Son” 3x Jn. 3:18, 36; 9:35 and “in Him [Jesus]” 4x Jn. 3:18; 6:29, 40; 8:31 “believe in Me” 14x Mt. 18:6; Mk. 9:42; Jn. 3:15?16, 18; 6:35, 47; 7:38; 11:25, 26; 12:44, 46; 14:1, 12; 16:8; 17:20 You “are sanctified by faith in Me” Acts 26:18 Live “in Me” Jn. 11:26 “come after Me” Mk. 8:34; Lk. 14:27 Abide “in Me” Jn. 15:2, 4:5, 7 “abide in Me” or else Jn. 15:6 “abide in My love” Jn. 15:9?10 “where two or three are gathered” Jesus is “there in the midst of them” Mt. 18:20 So too: “I [Jesus, will abide] in you” Jn. 15:4?5 “know that I am He” Jn. 8:28 or “if you do not believe that I am He you will die in your sins” Jn. 8:24 Do things “for My sake” Mt. 10:22, 39; even lose your life “for My sake” 4x Mt. 16:25; Mk. 8:35; 10:29; Lk. 6:22 “I never knew you, depart from Me” Mt. 7:23 “I am willing; be cleansed” Mt. 8:3; Mk.. 1:41 ”confess Me” Mt. 10:32; Lk. 12:8 Do not deny “Me” 7x Mt. 10:33; 26:34; Mk. 14:30, 72; Lk. 12:9; 22:34; Jn. 13:38 Do not be “ashamed of Me” Mk. 8:38; Lk. 9:26 nor "My words" “love Me” 5x Jn. 14:15, 21, 23?24, 28 Do not reject “Me” Lk. 10:16; Jn. 12:48 “He who is not with Me is against Me” Lk. 11:23 Love Me “more than” your family members Mt. 10:37; [Lk. 14:26] “I… have loved you” Jn. 15:9, 12 Be “worthy of Me” Mt. 10:37?38 “Come to Me” 5x Mt. 11:28; Lk. 6:47; Jn. 5:40; 6:35; 7:37 “I will give you rest” Mt. 11:28 “For My yoke is easy and My burden is light” Mt. 11:30 I am “greater than the temple” “than Jonah” “than Solomon” Mt. 12:6, 41?42 I am “Lord even of the Sabbath” Mt. 12:8; Mk. 2:28; Lk. 6:5 [Lord of God's Ten Commandments] Thus He says keep “My commandments” 4x Jn. 14:15, 21; 15:10, 12 “You are My friends if you do whatever I command you” Jn. 15:14 “keep My word” Jn. 14:23?24 “He who is not with Me is against Me” Mt. 12:30 The angels are “His angels” Mt. 13:41; 16:27 and He commands “His angels” Mt. 24:31; Mk. 13:27 The kingdom is “His kingdom” Mt. 13:41 and He calls it “My kingdom” Lk. 22:30 Jesus called it “My church” Mt. 16:18 and believers are “My sheep” Jn. 10:14, 27 and they are “His elect” Mt. 24:31; Mk. 13:27 Paul is a “vessel of Mine to bear My name” Acts 9:15 “all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine” Jn. 17:10 “My peace I give” Jn. 14:27 ”in Me you may have peace” Jn. 16:33 “My joy” should fill you Jn. 15:11 “Who do men say that I am?” Mt. 16:13; Mk. 8:27 “who do you say that I am?” Mt. 16:15 Receive “Me” Mt. 18:5; Mk. 9:37; Lk. 9:48 Heaven and earth will pass away but “My words” will never Mt. [5:18] 24:35; Mk. 13:31; Lk. 21:33 Tell others about Jesus Mk. 5:19 “you belong to Christ” Mk. 9:41 Hear “My sayings” and do them Lk. 6:47 Jesus has “His own glory” Lk. 9:26; [Jn. 2:11; 16:14] The Son is “glorified” 8x Jn. 11:4; 12:23; 13:31?32; [17:1, 5, 10 24] “He who hears you hears Me” Lk. 10:16 Jesus expects praise, from stones if necessary 1x Lk. 19:37?40 Return “to Me” Lk. 22:32 Be “My disciple” Lk. 14:27; Jn. 8:31; 15:8 Forsake all to “be My disciple” Lk. 14:33 ”you are My disciples” Jn. 13:35 “I shall send… the [Holy] Spirit” Jn. 15:26; 16:7 The Holy Spirit “will testify of Me” Jn. 15:26 We read in John 5 and Luke 24 that “the Scriptures… testify of Me” Jn. 5:39; [Lk. 24:44] “You [Apostles] also will bear witness [of Me] because you have been with Me” Jn. 15:27 Paul gives “testimony concerning Me” Acts 22:18; 23:11 “the Son gives life to whom He will” Jn. 5:21 “seek Me” Jn. 6:26 Serve “Me” Jn. 12:26 “all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father” Jn. 5:23 “I am the bread of life,” “of heaven,” “of God” Jn. 6: 32-33, 35, 41, [48,] 51 Just seeing Christ is reason enough to believe [Jn. 6:36] him” Jn. 6:56 Drink “My blood” and eat “My flesh” Jn. 6:53?54, 56 “I will raise him up at the last day” Jn. 6:40 for He is the resurrection “The world… hates Me” Jn. 7:7 “I am the light of the world” Jn. 8:12; 9:5; 12:46 “I bear witness of Myself” 1x Jn. 8:13-14, 18 “know… Jesus Christ” for “eternal life” Jn. 17:3; [8:19; 10:10, 14] “the Son makes you free” Jn. 8:36 “Abraham rejoiced to see My day” Jn. 8:56; “Before Abraham was, I AM” Jn. 8:58 Of believers, Christ said, “I know them” Jn. 10:27 “I give them eternal life” Jn. 10:28 “I am the resurrection and the life” Jn. 11:25 I “will draw all peoples to Myself” Jn. 12:32 “I will… receive you to Myself” Jn. 14:3 Be “Mine” Jn. 14:24 “I am the vine” Jn. 15:5 “without Me you can do nothing” Jn. 15:5 “You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you” Jn. 15:16 Those who oppress Christians are “persecuting Me” Acts 9:4?5; 22:7?8; 26:14?15 “because they have not known… Me” Jn. 16:3 The Spirit “will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it” Jn. 16:14 “All things that the Father has are Mine” Jn. 16:15 “the Father… loves you, because you have loved Me” Jn. 16:27 “If I will that he remain” Jn. 21:22 “I have overcome the world” Jn. 16:33 “I am the way” Jn. 14:6 “I am… the truth” Jn. 14:6 “I am… the life” Jn. 14:6 “I will… manifest Myself” Jn. 14:21 Jesus isn't just speaking for God. 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Apple7
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Wrongo, keypops...
ος εστιν εικων του θεου του αορατου πρωτοτοκος πασης κτισεως
Col 1.15 expresses subordination. The genitive substantive specifies that which is subordinated to, or under, the dominion of the head substantive. In this case, the creation is subordinate to Jesus....thus, He was present AT creation.
Adding context, (Col 1.9 – 20), clearly and irrefutably demonstrates Jesus’ deity.
Further, Col 1.15 – 20 is a hymn…and, as we all know, hymns are sung to deity, not mortals.
The fact that Jesus creates the Universe is confirmed, yet again, one verse later in Col. 1.16...
οτι εν αυτω εκτισθη τα παντα εν τοις ουρανοις και επι της γης τα ορατα και τα αορατα ειτε θρονοι ειτε κυριοτητες ειτε αρχαι ειτε εξουσιαι τα παντα δι αυτου και εις αυτον εκτισται
hoti en autō ektisthē ta panta en tois ouranois kai epi tēs gēs ta horata kai ta aorata eite thronoi eite kyriotētes eite archai eite exousiai ta panta di autou kai eis auton ektistai
For by Him all things were created; by that in the heavens and upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or rulers, or magistrates, or authorities; all things were created through Him and for Him. (Colossians 1.16)
Three separate and distinct primary prepositions are used to describe Jesus’ creative power (i.e. ‘en’, ‘di’, & ‘eis’).
Three separate prepositions were used here to make it crystal clear that three separate modes of operation are in effect at the same time.
In each case, the preposition is flanked by the masculine singular, ‘auto’.
The first instance of ‘auto’ is in the dative singular masculine, indicating that Jesus is the object of the primary preposition, ‘en’, rendered as ‘by’.
The second instance of ‘auto’ is in the genitive singular masculine, indicating that Jesus is in direct possession of the creative act – i.e. He is in complete control of it – and is attached to the preposition ‘di’ rendered as, ‘through’.
The third instance of ‘auto’ is in the accusative singular masculine, again indicating that Jesus is the direct object of the preposition, ‘eis’, rendered as ‘for’.
Thus, from this Biblical verse alone, creation is By, Through, and For Jesus Christ all at the same time…indicating, yet, again, that He is the Triune creator God of the Universe.
Apple7
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Did the prophets of old not have the power of the Spirit, yet it was because the Spirit of God dwelled inside them, not because they themselves were the spirit of God? Melchizedek was a man, who was king, and also high priest, who was a type of Christ, whose genealogy was unknown, he was not the spirit of God, nor did he originate from heaven. You have twisted scripture and created a lie.
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A declaration of Yahweh to my Lord: Sit at My right hand, until I place Your enemies as Your footstool. Yahweh shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion to rule in the midst of Your enemies. Your people shall have willingness in the day of Your might; in the majesties of holiness; from the womb of the dawn, to You is the dew of Your youth. Yahweh has sworn and will not repent: You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. The Lord at Your right hand (Holy Spirit) shatters kings in the day of His anger. He shall judge among the nations; He shall fill with dead bodies; He shall shatter heads over much land. He shall drink out of the torrent on the way; therefore, He shall lift up the head. (Psalm 110.1 - 7)
Psalm 110 confirms that Melchizedek is the Holy Spirit by declaring that He is the ‘Lord at Your Right Hand’, of which, is synonymous with Third Person of The Trinity.
Melchizedek is immortal.
"Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives." (Hebrews 7:8)
He who is declared to be living is not Melchizedek, it is Christ,
After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. (John 2:22 [NIV])
For just as Melchizedek collected tithes in accordance to the order of his priesthood, and the Levites collected tithes in accordance to the order of their priesthood, which were all men who die, Christ, who has aeonial life, will collect tithes in his kingdom during his rulership on earth, for a tenth of all the wealth given unto those that will inherit the kingdom of God will belong to Christ. You have no understanding of this, which is why you've misinterpreted this passage and have created your own lie concerning Melchizedek.
Melchizedek is known only as a priest of God Most High, the king of Salem:
Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High.And he blessed him and said: “Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth;And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” And he gave him a tithe of all. - Genesis 14:18-20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis14:18-20&version=NKJV
The Lord has sworn And will not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.” - Psalm 110:4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm110:4&version=NKJV
where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. - Hebrews 6:20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews6:20&version=NKJV
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,”without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better.Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priestwho has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.For He testifies: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath(for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: “The Lord has sworn And will not relent, ‘You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”),by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing.But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens;who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever. - Hebrews 7:1-28 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews7:1-28&version=NKJV
Whether Melchizedek is a theophany or not is not indicated by scripture. Could he be the Holy Spirit? Perhaps. Could he be a Christophany (Christ preincarnate)? Possibly. Could he be the image of the Father? Maybe. All we know is that he (Melchizedek) prefigured Christ.
Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High.And he blessed him and said: “Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth;And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” And he gave him a tithe of all. - Genesis 14:18-20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis14:18-20&version=NKJV
The Lord has sworn And will not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.” - Psalm 110:4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm110:4&version=NKJV
where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. - Hebrews 6:20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews6:20&version=NKJV
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,”without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better.Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priestwho has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.For He testifies: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath(for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: “The Lord has sworn And will not relent, ‘You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”),by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing.But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens;who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever. - Hebrews 7:1-28 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews7:1-28&version=NKJV
Whether Melchizedek is a theophany or not is not indicated by scripture. Could he be the Holy Spirit? Perhaps. Could he be a Christophany (Christ preincarnate)? Possibly. Could he be the image of the Father? Maybe. All we know is that he (Melchizedek) prefigured Christ.
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Heb 7.8
και ωδε μεν δεκατας αποθνησκοντες ανθρωποι λαμβανουσιν εκει δε μαρτυρουμενος οτι ζη
kai hōde men dekatas apothnēskontes anthrōpoi lambanousin ekei de martyroumenos hoti zē
And here, in this place, dying men indeed receive tithes, but there, in that place, having been witnessed that He lives;
Heb 7.8 clearly informs the reader that Melchizedek never died by separating what occurs ‘here, in this place’ (hōde), with what occurred ‘there, in that place’ (ekei).
Your knowledge of scripture is horrible.
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