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or his puppet masters
masks work .. to infect you :(
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As the pandemic deepens and lockdowns spread, Europeans are saving more and growing increasingly pessimistic about the future, a Reuters analysis of data shows. Only one country bucks the trend: Sweden
A survey of European households — to measure their expectations for the economy and their own finances in the coming year — showed they have largely become despondent about the future, in particular in hard-hit countries such as Spain and Italy. Only Sweden has escaped this wave of pessimism
Swedes are more optimistic now than they were before the pandemic struck, having seen their expectations rise during the past year. However those in the wider European Union have seen their economic expectations tumble by more than a fifth, according to researchers who scored people’s sentiment and how it has changed over time.
“Sweden stands out,” said Gene Ambrocio, an economist with Finland’s central bank, who discovered the difference in his research.
Shuttered high streets are commonplace around Europe. But Swedes still eat out, shop and rarely wear masks. Chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, who set this course, has won cult status for keeping gyms and even saunas open.
Swedish workplaces also never shut down, a stark contrast to the pandemic experienced by other Europeans. Ireland, for example, endured the longest lockdown, closing all but essential workplaces for 163 days from the start of the pandemic to the middle of January, according to a Reuters analysis of the Oxford Coronavirus Government Response Tracker.
Rejecting lockdowns has also helped the Swedish economy, which has fared better than much of Europe.
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well worth the 11 minutes
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Assuming that a person is shedding virus and they produce droplets that contain hitchhiking virus, and assuming the face covering actually stops ALL droplets (best-case scenario), the following molecular pathway will likely occur:
So, the face covering acts as an intermediary in transmission. It can alter the timing of the virus getting into the environment, but it now acts as a contact source and airborne source; virus can still get into the environment. Since we know that the stability is good on most covering and mask materials, it does nothing to break down the virus until the covering is removed and either washed or discarded (appropriately).
Here is an important point, as more virus molecules accumulate, more are expelled. The face covering is not some virus black hole that sucks the virus into oblivion.
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Second, what about INGRESS?
What works for egress works for ingress. So, if a person is wearing a face covering and they encounter virus, aerosols, or droplets, the virus and aerosols will likely penetrate. If the droplet is stopped, the surface is now contaminated. This means that if the surface of the covering touches the mouth or nose, you can become contaminated, i.e. infected.
This is a common sight with most face coverings, including the “stylish” coverings that people are wearing (I often see the covering moving back and forth against their mouth and nose even as they breathe, like a diaphragm), as well as with the cheaper dust masks and homemade cloth masks. If you inhale, you can become contaminated. If you touch the face covering, such as pulling it up and down, you can become contaminated.
Further, because the surface is contaminated, a person can also expel the virus back out into the environment just as with egress. This can be done by talking, breathing, coughing, etc.
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Assuming that a person is shedding virus and they produce droplets that contain hitchhiking virus, and assuming the face covering actually stops ALL droplets (best-case scenario), the following molecular pathway will likely occur:
- The droplet will lose its moisture. The timing may be different than just going out into the environment but moisture will be lost. However, the expelled droplets may accumulate faster than evaporation. If that happens, the facial covering starts to become saturated with moisture, mucus, cellular debris, bacteria, etc. as well as virus molecules.
- The virus molecule DOES NOT EVAPORATE and no matter what happens as far as the droplet is concerned, the virus is now on the face covering, at least initially. This means that the face covering is now contaminated and is a possible source of transmission, both contact and airborne.
- The virus is not somehow magically “glued” to the mask but can be expelled, whether or not there is still moisture. This can happen the next time a person breathes, speaks, coughs, sneezes, hisses, grunts, etc. So, the virus can be expelled out INTO THE ENVIRONMENT from the face covering.
So, the face covering acts as an intermediary in transmission. It can alter the timing of the virus getting into the environment, but it now acts as a contact source and airborne source; virus can still get into the environment. Since we know that the stability is good on most covering and mask materials, it does nothing to break down the virus until the covering is removed and either washed or discarded (appropriately).
Here is an important point, as more virus molecules accumulate, more are expelled. The face covering is not some virus black hole that sucks the virus into oblivion.
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Second, what about INGRESS?
What works for egress works for ingress. So, if a person is wearing a face covering and they encounter virus, aerosols, or droplets, the virus and aerosols will likely penetrate. If the droplet is stopped, the surface is now contaminated. This means that if the surface of the covering touches the mouth or nose, you can become contaminated, i.e. infected.
This is a common sight with most face coverings, including the “stylish” coverings that people are wearing (I often see the covering moving back and forth against their mouth and nose even as they breathe, like a diaphragm), as well as with the cheaper dust masks and homemade cloth masks. If you inhale, you can become contaminated. If you touch the face covering, such as pulling it up and down, you can become contaminated.
Further, because the surface is contaminated, a person can also expel the virus back out into the environment just as with egress. This can be done by talking, breathing, coughing, etc.
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Well, of course it wasn't just masks but a series of mitigation methods, many of which would still be effective in future. Or is this all about just whining about not wanting to wear a mask?
Decreased Influenza Activity During the COVID-19 Pandemic ...
After recognition of widespread community transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), by mid- to late February 2020, indicators of influenza activity ...
eider
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It's not looking great for Sweden at this time.
Anyway......... would you want to live in Sweden just now? Or at any time?
Sweden has U-turned on several of its coronavirus measures and is now facing its first lockdown, warns PM
Sweden, which has famously relied on more voluntary measures during the pandemic, continues to struggle in the face of rising coronavirus cases.
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a series of mitigation methods, all of which would still be ineffective in futureWell, of course it wasn't just masks but a series of mitigation methods, many of which would still be effective in future. Or is this all about just whining about not wanting to wear a mask?
Decreased Influenza Activity During the COVID-19 Pandemic ...
After recognition of widespread community transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), by mid- to late February 2020, indicators of influenza activity ...www.cdc.gov
none of the npi's have worked
the masks ,the social distancing ,the shutting down of small businesses ,
the curfews ...if something comes along that actually kills 10% of the infected
science has proven these npi's are useless
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That's not persuasive to eider because it doesn't come from the BBC
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he's not a follow the science kinda guy .
Eider is more a scientism person than a scientific person. There is a big difference.he's not a follow the science kinda guy .
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define "scientism"
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Arthur Brain
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So, some twitter account overrides actual scientific findings then. Got it.
Arthur Brain
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So where's this latest gem of incontrovertible evidence from? The same twitter account? Another one? You might as well get your "science" from WND...
way 2 go
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so you have nothing , no evidence ,no facts to counter or discuss
the masks ,the social distancing ,the shutting down of small businesses ,
the curfews ...if something comes along that actually kills 10% of the infected
science has proven these npi's are useless
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