Man Manhandled of United Airlines Flight

kmoney

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Its not overbooked because at the last minute you want to add 4 employees to the flight not before scheduled for it.
Right, I wasn't talking about this particular instance. If they had to kick people off for their own crew then that's a different problem. Awful planning.
 

kmoney

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the news media will trickle this story out as long as it can

the latest:


According to the New York Post, Dao is a 69-year-old father of five -- four of his children are also doctors -- and a grandfather. He went to medical school in Vietnam in the 1970s before moving to the U.S., where he has a criminal past.

Dao was arrested in 2003 after being accused of trading prescription drugs for sexual favors from a male patient he later hired. He denied paying for sex, but was charged with 98 felony drug counts for illegally prescribing and trafficking painkillers, including hydrocodone, Oxycontin and Percocet.

The Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure says Dao was convicted of multiple felonies in 2004 and was placed on five years supervised probation in early 2005. He surrendered his medical license a month later.

Dao was allowed to continue practicing medicine again in 2015 under limited conditions. He and his wife, Teresa, have an office together in Elizabethtown.

TMZ reports the medical board imposed more restrictions last year, only allowing him to practice internal medicine in an outpatient facility one day a week. A doctor said Dao had interpersonal problems and would often "unilaterally choose to do his own thing."

:mock: people to read TMZ
 

kmoney

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Same reason hotels do it. They assume x guests or passengers will cancel or not show up. They want to fill the plane without a single empty seat. When hotels do it, they usually pay for the guest to stay somewhere comparable. They roll the dice on x not arriving and sometimes lose.

I agree it really messes with people's plans but usually the person bumped comes out way ahead. Instead of getting physical with this poor guy they should have done what K suggested, make an offer someone won't refuse who doesn't 'gotta get home', can wait for another flight and get handsomely rewarded for their patience.

I understand the business reason behind it and I agree that there could be methods for it that minimize the disruption but it still seems kind of crazy to me that a viable business model involves the possibility that you have to tell some customers who paid for tickets that they can't actually board.
 

Angel4Truth

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I understand the business reason behind it and I agree that there could be methods for it that minimize the disruption but it still seems kind of crazy to me that a viable business model involves the possibility that you have to tell some customers who paid for tickets that they can't actually board.

Or even worse, already boarded and told too bad, we have crew who need your seat, even though they arent scheduled to work till tommorrow..
 

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This is one video about the man who was dragged of United Airlines Flight. My question is, was he too disagreeable, or maybe a bit off? I wonder? Why not work this out before he was dragged off the plane?

I am sure United was wrong talking this it such a violent extent. It does not seem reasonable to me for him to resist once it was apparent the airline staff would remove him physically?

He loved it. Probably had an orgasm when he was gettin pulled by the officers. Good on him the little perv.


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Nick M

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You can't sign contracts under false pretenses. And fine print is just that. He will be getting 10 figures, unless he lets it go. I don't want United share holders to lose because United sucks as an airline. So does Continental whom they merged with. So does Delta. Delta consumed Northwest. Before the recent mergers, they were all better because they had to compete. Like socialism, this is what happens when there is no competition. I only fly because I have to fly. Like crossing an ocean. It is a bad deal with bad service and a lot of bad employees. This pitiful seat is from Delta, for the record. United is no better. I am not tall. I am 6'2.5 barefoot.

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Nick M

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The flight was from Chicago to Louisville? In the amount of time it takes to take off, fly there, and disembark, those 4 employees probably could have just taken a car.

I have done that for my own reasons. Most of the waste in the DoD is actually administrative failures by incompetent people. I had a layover of 8 hours in Indianapolis, which is 3. hours from my house. So you tax payers paid for a seat I didn't use. This was 2012. I rented a car and drove home.
 

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I wish I was there when they were filming this episode because I would have gotten on the clip pointing and saying "what a dumb ***"


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chair

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As far as I can tell, there are two issues here:
1. Overbooking, and taking people off of flights. It is apparently legal, though it can be pretty bad for the passengers that lose their seat. By the way- I have only seen this in the USA. Even offering people money to give up their seats- I don't recall ever seeing that in Asia
2. Forcibly removing the passenger and injuring him. This was a horrible thing to do- but as far as I can tell, United Airlines didn't do it. The airport security people did this. I do not understand why United is getting all the flak here.
 

Angel4Truth

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As far as I can tell, there are two issues here:
1. Overbooking, and taking people off of flights. It is apparently legal, though it can be pretty bad for the passengers that lose their seat.
Actually once boarded, they are to volunteer. Not be dragged off, the time for denied boarding, is before boarding. They also werent overbooked, so their "rules" mean squat.



2. Forcibly removing the passenger and injuring him. This was a horrible thing to do- but as far as I can tell, United Airlines didn't do it. The airport security people did this. I do not understand why United is getting all the flak here.
They had it done, under false pretenses, claiming the man to be disruptive and beligerant (which poses danger to others) that was a lie. He was never neither.

They have a real problem on their hand.

Also the 800 they offered people to leave? Wasnt even in cash, it was for united vouchers, they were being greedy.
 

chair

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Actually once boarded, they are to volunteer. Not be dragged off, the time for denied boarding, is before boarding. They also werent overbooked, so their "rules" mean squat.



They had it done, under false pretenses, claiming the man to be disruptive and beligerant (which poses danger to others) that was a lie. He was never neither.

They have a real problem on their hand.

Also the 800 they offered people to leave? Wasnt even in cash, it was for united vouchers, they were being greedy.

Who dragged the victim off the plane? Who injured him? Unites Airlines crew, or airport security?
 

Angel4Truth

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Who dragged the victim off the plane? Who injured him? Unites Airlines crew, or airport security?

It doesnt matter, both are culpable, the airline lied and said the man was beligerant and disruptive. That was a lie.

Do people not go to jail in your world when they make false police reports?
 

chair

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It doesnt matter, both are culpable, the airline lied and said the man was beligerant and disruptive. That was a lie.

Do people not go to jail in your world when they make false police reports?

I do not know what the real facts are, and I don't think you do either. If the courts sort things out, and sees fit to put United personnel in prison for false police reports-so be it. I suspect that is a rare occurrence in the US.

The only thing that seems clear to me is that the security people, who are not United employees, used excessive force. Call it police brutality, if you like.
 

Angel4Truth

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I do not know what the real facts are, and I don't think you do either. If the courts sort things out, and sees fit to put United personnel in prison for false police reports-so be it. I suspect that is a rare occurrence in the US.

The only thing that seems clear to me is that the security people, who are not United employees, used excessive force. Call it police brutality, if you like.

yes, they did, but not if they believed the man was dangerous, through the lie told by the airline. They dont know what happened before they got there, and they were told he was distuptive and beligerant, and that puts people in danger.
 

chair

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yes, they did, but not if they believed the man was dangerous, through the lie told by the airline. They dont know what happened before they got there, and they were told he was distuptive and beligerant, and that puts people in danger.

Wait and see. I think you hate the airline, and won't accept the idea that anybody else is at fault here.
 

Angel4Truth

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Wait and see. I think you hate the airline, and won't accept the idea that anybody else is at fault here.

I said the cops were at fault too, did you miss that? But the airline caused it, they lied to the police about what was happening.
 

kmoney

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I heard an interesting interview about how game theory can be used for these scenarios. Here is a link.
http://www.npr.org/2017/04/13/523726313/how-game-theory-relates-to-airline-booking

Some key points:


Don't let passengers board the plane and then take their seats away. And if you do, offer them a lot more money.

Don't make the offer in such a public way, because nobody wants to be a sucker.

Make better use of technology and start with a big offer.

Use the information you get from the game to make better choices about who you bump off a flight.

 
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