Well good grief, then you should already know that GT does not teach that.
GT teaches one must obey first to be saved and keep obeying to remain saved.
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GT teaches one must obey first to be saved and keep obeying to remain saved.
She doesn't have answers.
Nor does she care to seek answers.
Meshak's approval is to put down military action as evil, but is always sure to take the money made by military action.
She doesn't even hesitate to take that monthly check earned from those very military actions.
1 Timothy 6:10 KJV
(10) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
(10) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
She loves that money as much or more than she hates their actions.
suit yourselves twist scripture to make completely different gospel.
Actually, Paul was referring to grace by faith without works of the law.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Our faithfulness determines our position in God's kingdom.
Galatians 3:21-22 KJV
(21) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
(22) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
(21) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
(22) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
There...bolded it for everyone...
musterion
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You bolded the wrong part as far as this discussion is concerned.
Jerry Shugart
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I believe all the Scriptures. It is you who does not believe what the Lord Jesus said here:
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).
In this verse the Greek word translated "believes" and the Greek word translated "has" are both in the "present" tense.
In The Blue Letter Bible we read the following meaning of the present tense:
"The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. In most cases this corresponds directly with the English present tense."
Therefore, John 5:24 is saying that those who were believing at the time the Lord Jesus spoke those words had already received eternal life. That is what is meant as something being "viewed as occurring in actual time."
So once a person believes he receives eternal life. Anything which happens to anyone after he believes cannot contribute in any way to that person's receiving eternal life. Since a believer receives eternal life before he "obeys" then we can know that "obedience" contributes nothing to anyone's salvation.
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Actually that is the discussion...man was created for good works...[full stop]
because he failed at that point the discussion had to include this other part about grace...to bring him back to the the good works we would be discussing which he was created to do before grace was ever needed...ya dig?
Jerry Shugart
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There is noting "conditional" about what the Lord Jesus says here:
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" (Jn.6:37).
According to your mistaken view the Lord Jesus will indeed cast out some who come to Him, because He will cast out those who do not continue to follow Him:
Those with saving faith know that they will always follow the Lord, no matter what! If you do not know that you will always follow Him then your faith will not serve to save you.
Jerry Shugart
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Here is how our "works" of which you speak will be judged:
"For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon... If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire" (1 Cor.3:9-10,14-15).
Yup...that is why I am working to build here this is God's work, His building, His harvest...but if all here are lost I will suffer...the grace is still given me...
As long as I build His building according to His blue print...working WITH God Him HIS WAY...
He finished part of it, the blue print...fulfilled some of it....but don't think it destroyed, deviated or changed...certainly don't add or remove anything
You change even the keys here on earth and they won't open their intended locks in heaven...
It remains His will on earth as it is in heaven...no Sunday Ham up there...
God's Truth
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Jesus has a yoke for all; however, it is light easy and not burdensome.
Jesus makes the two men one when he died---for that is when all could come to him to be saved besides the lost sheep of Israel.
God did not nail Jesus' words to the cross.
Jesus didn't come here to do all that teaching just to have Paul wipe it away.
Jesus is the Lord over all and his words will never go away.
God's Truth
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Obeying Jesus' words is how we receive Spirit and life. How do you say that about obeying Jesus' powerful words, words of the Creator?
God's Truth
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...but you do not engage enough with other posters, except if they are Madists.
God's Truth
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You speak much truth but too bad you try to hang onto old purification works that do nothing but cause you to be a bitter root and defile many.
God's Truth
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Why do the scriptures say people misunderstand Paul if not by what you mistake him as saying? Paul is NOT saying no longer of obedience! LOLLOLLOL
These are the works, the purification/ceremonial works that SEPARATED the Gentiles from the Jews; these are the works that no longer save:
The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.
Jesus obeyed and that means we have someone to obey.
How do you EVER get that obeying the Creator’s words, His beautiful powerful words…how do you get that it is wrong IN ANY WAY? How do you get that it is not transforming? How do you ever get that having faith in my own faith is not a farce that fools many? How do you get that dead faith is some kind of saving faith?