I can defend my claims, you cannot.
Your above statement is false, and you cannot defend it.
ECT MADists don't follow Paul
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I can defend my claims, you cannot.
Your above statement is false, and you cannot defend it.
whitestone
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Your missing my question I guess,,,
In Hebrews 13:17 KJV , Romans 13:1 KJV , 1Peter 2:13 KJV ect. the "CHRISTIANS" are told to Honor those set over them as if they are set there by God.
Now in ad70ism the key point is that all these scriptures were fulfilled by ad70. There in scripture are only two groups (1) those who receive the mark,(2) those who do not.
So in ad70 those who (did receive) the mark "already have it" and those who have the mark of God "already have it.
Now in ad66-70 do the Jews in the Jewish war have the mark or do they not? And in Revelation 13:15 KJV are the Jews who are refusing to receive the mark,worship the Image and then are killed because they revolt (Jewish revolt ad66-70)?
Your attempt to reason with him is both worthy and reasonable. But you are casting pearls before one who for years has proven long since wallowing in the pig pen that is his closed, narrow mind to considering the merit of any conclusion other than his own.
The man is a walking self-portrait of the very lies in hypocrisy he continues to point to in those leaders of the Jews who perished near 70AD, at the same time that he puts on a pedestal their greatest conniving hypocrite; Josephus.
You will give up. Mark my words. The man is simply beyond redemption in these matters.
Correct.
Which is why John said the following in the Revelation:
(Rev 13:9-10)
Whoever has ears, let them hear.
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.
Again, you're assuming the "mark" is a literal mark on someone's hand and forehead.
(1 Tim 6:10) For the love of money is the root of all evil...
It was the love of money (the mark of the beast) that ultimately led to the death of Christ Jesus. The Pharisees and wealthy Jews didn't want to give up their money. That's why they had to present false charges against Jesus.
Again, it's not a literal mark.
Because of these great sins of greed and idolatry (love of money) by the Jews it led to the rejection and murder of Christ Jesus.
The temple was filled with Roman coins.
The Jews in the city are being killed because of their idolatry and rejection of Christ Jesus.
Meaning "don't go where the huskies go; yellow snow" :chuckle:
Meaning anyone with a coin has taken the mark.
Meaning those who help those in need with food they purchased, or hide them in houses they purcahsed with Roman coins, have taken the mark.
Meaning when the Lord had Peter go and buy some things with that Roman coin; He was endorsing taking the mark.
Meaning when the Apostle Paul took up a collection for the poor saints at Jerusalem - who had been told to sell all, had done so, and were now starving for the reason they now were - he was not only endorsing taking, but passing on taking the mark.
Meaning...what abosolute; bereft of common sense nonsense you spout.
whitestone
Well-known member
So you don't think the destruction of Jerusalem in ad70 was "literal"? First you say that it is,you try to convince everyone that it is "literal" but then all of a sudden when it comes to the "Mark" you say "it's not literal" after trying to prove that it has been literally fulfilled?
So if the 1st Jewish revolt/destruction is a result of those Jews receiving "the mark and them worshiping the beast" ,, then if they "literally" received the mark and were "literally" destroyed because of it then Revelation 13 apparently is also "literal".
But now thats the reason why I'm asking you if in Revelation 13:15 KJV if they were killed because they refused to worship Caesar and refused to use their money(printed their own).
Money is not evil.
The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.
But don't feel bad Danoh, even Pink Floyd got it wrong.
The destruction was literal. Not one stone left standing upon another is literal. The mark of the beast was not literal.
Don't conflate the literal Olivet Discourse with the very symbolic Revelation.
Jesus tells us why Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD
(Luke 19:44) ... They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”
As we see in Luke 19:44, Jerusalem was destroyed because the unbelieving Jews rejected the Messiah that God had sent to them.
So, why did they reject their Messiah?
I have tried to show you that the Pharisees and wealthy elite Jews rejected their Messiah because of their love of money (the root of all evil).
First off there wasn't "printed" money back then. It was coins made of gold and silver.
Secondly, I have told you why they were killed (Luke 19:44)
Thirdly, John is writing to the seven churches, and is a partner with them in the tribulation. John isn't writing to the unbelieving Jews.
What does Pink Floyd have to do with this, other than your same "we don't need no ed -joo-kay-shun."
You make the same mistake as Pink Floyd.
Lyrics from Pink Floyd's song "Money":
"....Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today...."
Bible:
(1 Tim 6:10 KJV) For the love of money is the root of all evil:..
Money in itself is not evil. It's the LOVE of money that is evil.
The love of money is greed.
So, when Paul collected money from the Gentile churches to send back to Jerusalem, that isn't evil. However, killing your Messiah because of the love of money (greed) is evil.
(Micah 3:11) Her leaders judge for a bribe,
her priests teach for a price,
and her prophets tell fortunes for money....
(Luke 16:13-14) “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”
14 The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus.
14 The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus.
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My point STANDS. You can quote all of the ROMAN PHILOSOPHERS that you want. They have no authority in Biblical matters.
whitestone
Well-known member
OK thats a little closer to the question. In Romans 13:6 KJV Paul states that they are to do this and explains that they are (not to resist) the authorities placed over them because they are placed there by God, Romans 13 .
So there's still two distinct groups. Group (A)Jews refusing to do this and revolting and minting their own money to keep from paying the tribute,taxes to Caesar.
Then Group (B) Christians being instructed to acknowledge the authority(Caesar at that time)as if by God. And the same Christians being instructed to pay tribute/taxes (take it in your hand and pay with it)
Which one of these two groups had the mark of the beast according to ad70ism? And,which of the two groups are having the wrath of God poured out on them because they received the mark to buy and sell Revelation 13:16 KJV , Revelation 14:9 KJV , Revelation 20:4 KJV ect. ?
I'll be back this afternoon.
There you go; attempting to have things both ways, once more.
The "mark" is as physically literal as the word "world" is in all that.
For "the mark" is as limited in physical geography as that part of "the world" is, in all that.
You know nothing of my Acts 9 Dispensationalism.
Now watch you pull a Jerry to my supposed Darby :chuckle:
Who is the king described as "one is" in the Revelation?
(Rev 17:10) They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.
The bottom line tet, is that the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus Christ has not happened yet. Everything else you blabber is just a smoke screen for your catholic preterist fallacy
IOW, you can't tell us who the king described as "one is" is.
Yes, I already agreed with you.
Where are you getting this from?
Paul nor anyone else in the Bible told the Christians to worship Caesar.
Nero, Vespasian, and Titus demanded that they themselves be worshipped as a god.
It's not that simple.
All the Roman coins had the mark of the beast. The Imago of Vespasian was worshiped in the Temple in 70AD
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Read verse 12 in Rev 14
(Rev 14:12) This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
"Little Johnny"
Once again, the wimp acts like a tough guy, as he is embarrassed by his twitty, effeminate look.
Lift some weights, you weasel.
The punk, once again, claims that we cannot reconcile.....
Yes, we can, but since he, as a devil boy, cannot understand how we have, per 2 Cor. 4:4 KJV.
Right, weasel? Right...
And the sodomite still refuses to answer my last 50 questions.
Get a job, Craigie, and quit trying to impress your "domestic partner."