ECT MADist thought for the day

[JonahofAkron]

Notreligious:



What form of law are you referring to? It was LOVE that fulfilled the law, and faith worketh by love..not the law of moses.

God's law is faith...that worketh by love.

Mose's law is condemnation...and, it worketh wrath.

I just want to make sure you have the right form of law in place here, because this is what is deceiving alot of people.

Jesus gave us His life willingly...it was GRACE, and FAITH and LOVE in action. In fact HIS whole life was...HE was born under the letter, (law of moses), but He was never subject to IT; He did fulfill it...fulfill does not mean subject to, as many teach.

It is imperative to make it clear what form of law we think Jesus lived and died under.

He was NOT condemned, He never sinned.
No greater love hath a man than this to give up His life for His friends..now, that is GRACE.

We are called to walk as He walked..yet today, false teachings are leading many astray, because they are being taught that Jesus was under the law of moses...lies, lies lies.

This is a little ridiculous. Born under, but not subject to it? That's what 'born under' means! ....unless you're speaking astrologically. He has to live the Law to 'free' you from it. How else could that happen? I don't agree with the use of the word 'fulfillment' in the same way you do, but it is impossible for anyone to fulfill anything without doing it.

 

[graceandpeace]

This is a little ridiculous. Born under, but not subject to it? That's what 'born under' means! ....unless you're speaking astrologically. He has to live the Law to 'free' you from it. How else could that happen? I don't agree with the use of the word 'fulfillment' in the same way you do, but it is impossible for anyone to fulfill anything without doing it.

The law of moses was a law made for sinners. The bible states this.
The law of Christ is faith that works by love..this is the law that Jesus lived by, even while born under the law of moses...is the law of moses subject to you? Jesus places us in Himself..not in the law of moses.

We were all born under the law, too...(condemnation)...once saved we are no longer subject to it; Jesus was never subject to it..does love fulfill the law or not?

God is love, and no greater love has a man than this to lay down His life for His friends..that is grace, faith in action...faith worketh by love..try again...ok?:doh:

 

[Jacob]

Abraham only had salvation by PROMISE, and never received it in his lifetime...heb. 11.

You beg the question, "do we receive salvation in our lifetime?"

By looking forward to our day...when God added the law, 430 years after He preached the gospel to Abe, Abe too became a sinner..(there is no sin when there is no law),

Yes, there is sin... but it is not apparent (imputed).

but Abe, knew of this, and he still looked forward to the new covenant by promise/ and was made perfect/saved; at the cross. heb 11.

 

[Lighthouse]

If a believer who happened to be a kingdom slave had a wife who was part of the BOC, would the wife be unclean to the husband while she was menstruating?
The law states that under normal conditions the woman would be unclean for seven days, and who ever touches her would be unclean until evening. If the woman was unclean to her husband it would put her under the law. If she wasn't unclean to her husband it would negate the law.

What say you?

You're only saying that its stupid because you can't respond. This is why I differ to MADists. If something stumped me I would be determined to get to the bottom of it, but you just don't care.

We're not stumped, you just don't know what you're talking about.

No one is currently under the law. No one.

And in the event such an occurrence took place the wife would not be under the law; the husband would be and therefore not allowed to touch his wife until it was over and she took the steps to be clean, not for herself but for him.

 

[andyc]

We're not stumped, you just don't know what you're talking about.

No one is currently under the law. No one.

And in the event such an occurrence took place the wife would not be under the law; the husband would be and therefore not allowed to touch his wife until it was over and she took the steps to be clean, not for herself but for him.

The wife becoming unclean to her husband would most definitely put her under the law. Her husband would be her head, and yet she would be a source of defilement to him. That is legal bondage for someone who's supposed to be clean in Christ.

You guys will just say anything for the sake of mad.

 

[graceandpeace]

Quote:
Originally Posted by graceandpeace
Abraham only had salvation by PROMISE, and never received it in his lifetime...heb. 11.

Untel:

You beg the question, "do we receive salvation in our lifetime?"

Abraham lived before the new covenant was available, which is why he looked forward to our day; heb. 11..and, never received the promise in his lifetime. At the cross, he did.

I said:

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By looking forward to our day...when God added the law, 430 years after He preached the gospel to Abe, Abe too became a sinner..(there is no sin when there is no law),

Yes, there is sin... but it is not apparent (imputed).

Yes, what I meant to say....it not being imputed; because it is only imputed when the law came 430 years later, which is why even Abraham needed a new covenant, and he knew it; looked forward to our day, embraced IT; by faith.


I said:

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but Abe, knew of this, and he still looked forward to the new covenant by promise/ and was made perfect/saved; at the cross. heb 11.

Do you deny this?

 

[Jacob]

Do you deny this?

Deny what (about Abraham)?

 

[graceandpeace]

Deny what (about Abraham)?

I said:

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but Abe, knew of this, and he still looked forward to the new covenant by promise/ and was made perfect/saved; at the cross. heb 11.

Do you deny this?

Abe knew his sins condemned him, once God added the law to show him condemned; which is why he looked foreward to a new covenant, where his sins were not imputed. God really did ADD the law to the original promise, you know. He did this, so He could make way for the new covenant to Abraham, and his real seed/those in Christ.

 

[Jacob]

I said:

Abe knew his sins condemned him, once God added the law to show him condemned; which is why he looked foreward to a new covenant, where his sins were not imputed. God really did ADD the law to the original promise, you know. He did this, so He could make way for the new covenant to Abraham, and his real seed/those in Christ.

Abraham lived before the giving of the law in Moses. Is that what you are talking about?

 

[Tambora]

Abe knew his sins condemned him, once God added the law to show him condemned; which is why he looked foreward to a new covenant, where his sins were not imputed. God really did ADD the law to the original promise, you know. He did this, so He could make way for the new covenant to Abraham, and his real seed/those in Christ.

You foolish woman.
Abe was already dead when the law was given.
So was Isaac and Jacob.

Abe was saved by grace, not works. And he knew he was saved by grace and not works.

 

[andyc]

Here's another little thought for the day to confuse the mads.

Lets have a look at Col 1:12-14 ....................
giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

OK

Here Paul is talking to gentiles who by this time would have received Paul's final updated gospel (according to mad) called the "gospel of the grace of God". However, notice that he explains how the genties have been qualified to partake in other peoples inheritance?
Paul is stating that other people have already received what the gentiles now have access to.
He then goes on to explain what the inheritance actually is. Something very significant about the inheritance is that the believing gentiles had been conveyed/translated into the kingdom of God's Son. The mads believe that Jesus' kingdom is a future kingdom on the earth, but not according to Paul. We are in Christ's kingdom now, and so were the believing Jews of Paul's day. Another part of the inheritance shared with Jewish believers is that they had received forgiveness of sins, just as we also have today.

So once again we see that there are not multiple gospels, there is only one. One kingdom (in heaven), one gospel, one inheritance for all.

Ephesians 2:19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God

Gentiles are no longer strangers but fellow citizens. And where is our citizenship?

Philippians 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ

So obvious, but not to the mads.


Matthew 8:11 "And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (the saints) in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

 

[Delmar]

Poor Nick has no clue about what Christ meant when He said, "It is finished."

I don't think this is a "Is God outside of time" thread.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

However, notice that he explains how the genties have been qualified to partake in other peoples inheritance?

Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,


It's his inheritance. Once baptized into the Body of Christ, it also becomes our inheritance.

one inheritance for all.

Ignorance.


Land, city, heaven. 3 inheritances in which Christ filleth all in all.


Repent of the anti-Christ belief of an eternity in which Christ will not fill all of the earth, the Holy City, and the heavens.

 

[andyc]

Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,


It's his inheritance. Once baptized into the Body of Christ, it also becomes our inheritance.

You're purposely missing the obvious here.

.....giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints.....

Paul uses the word "us" which includes himself. So Paul and the gentiles had come into a situation where they had inherited something that was already given to other people.

I know you don't want to see this, but it is pretty obvious.

Ignorance.


Land, city, heaven. 3 inheritances in which Christ filleth all in all.

Rubbish.
The kingdom of God/heaven is never mentioned in the old testament, and it is never referred to as the earth. Never. Unless you can point it out?

No you can't.

Repent of the anti-Christ belief of an eternity in which Christ will not fill all of the earth, the Holy City, and the heavens.

I'm sorry matey but you are constantly making stuff up for the sake of mad.

 

[andyc]

Luke 7:28 "For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."

Is Jesus saying that the greatest person born of women will be the least in a future earthly kingdom? :chuckle:

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

old testament prophets - land, land, land, the LORD is king over all the earth which the meek inherit

hebrews-revelation - we hear about a city some people inherit, which comes down OUT OF HEAVEN

romans-philemon - we hear about an inheritance in the light, heavenly





andy: "All the same" cause I'm in unbelief, too lazy to study, or in outright rebellion against the LORD's will for eternity

 

[andyc]

old testament prophets - land, land, land, the LORD is king over all the earth which the meek inherit

hebrews-revelation - we hear about a city some people inherit, which comes down OUT OF HEAVEN

romans-philemon - we hear about an inheritance in the light, heavenly





andy: "All the same" cause I'm in unbelief, too lazy to study, or in outright rebellion against the LORD's will for eternity

The kingdom of God/Heaven is never mentioned in the old testament. Just accept it. Why? Because God does not live on the earth, and the way into the holy place was not known while the first tabernacle (flesh) was still standing. Very simple.

God could not mention anything about a kingdom no one could inherit until Jesus came, and Jesus revealed the mystery of it (Mark 4:11).

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Why does andy have so much trouble accepting this?


All he's heard from the time he started "going to church" is how everyone in the OT looked forward to the cross and went to heaven. And, everyone in the NT looks back to the cross and goes and to heaven.


Churchianity, out of ignorance, or laziness, pays no attention to the words of scripture and teaches what they want to believe.

 

[andyc]

Why does andy have so much trouble accepting this?

What you're saying is not in the bible, that's why.

All he's heard from the time he started "going to church" is how everyone in the OT looked forward to the cross and went to heaven. And, everyone in the NT looks back to the cross and goes and to heaven.

Nope. Heaven was a mystery to OT saints.

Churchianity, out of ignorance, or laziness, pays no attention to the words of scripture and teaches what they want to believe.

Scripture is clear, but you do not believe it. The kingdom of God/heaven is a new covenant/testament revelation. You have to be born again to enter it. A spiritual kingdom requires a spiritual rebirth. Common sense.