ECT MAD is defeated by the locked timeframe of Lk 23

musterion

musterion

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Lighthouse said:
No it doesn't.


You don't know squat about MAD.

And could you be bothered to explain your acronyms and initiaisms in your OPs? What does "Dofj" stand for?


Pretty much.


You haven't even bothered to tell us what passage is in question here. Luke 23 is about the trial and crucifixion and burial of Christ.

And a great multitude of the people followed Him, and women who also mourned and lamented Him. But Jesus, turning to them, said, [Jesus]“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!’ Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!”’ For if they do these things in the green wood, what will be done in the dry?”[/Jesus]
Luke 23:27-31

I see no reason to think this passage is not about the same as the others.
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He raised that objection and thinks it's a lock because he does not recognize -- cannot see -- the dispensation of grace for what it actually was, and is. It's like an argument over definitions between two people speaking totally different languages.
 
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musterion said:
He raised that objection and thinks it's a lock because he does not recognize -- cannot see -- the dispensation of grace for what it actually was, and is. It's like an argument over definitions between two people speaking totally different languages.
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It's not about that at all. That generation of Israel was to have become missionaries of the Gospel like Paul, but (esp in Luke) Jesus is shown warning them that they will be ruined by the rebellion of zealots unless they do become workers for the Gospel. This theme runs all through Acts and is in Rom 10-11 and a few other places. The ministers of the new covenant contrast with the old and with the impostor apostles of the old in 2 Corinthians, very similarly.

I know of grace, of the age of it; but you don't know your 1st century history where it matters.

Lighthouse: a tip: it helps to revisit the OP once in a while.
 
SaulToPaul 2

SaulToPaul 2

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Payne? You might as well say Stalin worked for Doctors Without Borders.

It's time for you to take the Scriptures seriously. Maybe for the first time.
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Stalin and Lenin notwithstanding, your foresclosure of the red dirt prophecy with ill timed reliance upon 1 Peter 3D and Jude 7F prove there is no correlation between red dirt and the spiritual enterprise of the gospel event. Any other recourse is simply a reverberation of events and cannot be conclusive. Agreed?
 
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The statement about children is repeated in verse 19 of the following and is within the following context; all of which is the issue of various issues that will make it that much more difficult to get out of Dodge, in that day, so to speak...

Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

In other words, they will be better off not pregnant and or nursing during such a "get outta Dodge" time.

And then there is evidence that was interrupted before things went that far...

1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
 
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Danoh said:
The statement about children is repeated in verse 19 of the following and is within the following context; all of which is the issue of various issues that will make it that much more difficult to get out of Dodge, in that day, so to speak...

Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

In other words, they will be better off not pregnant and or nursing during such a "get outta Dodge" time.

And then there is evidence that was interrupted before things went that far...

1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
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That says nothing about the biological clock that is ticking and stating when all this would happen. Do you ever know how NOT to see the point.
 
Lighthouse

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musterion said:
He raised that objection and thinks it's a lock because he does not recognize -- cannot see -- the dispensation of grace for what it actually was, and is. It's like an argument over definitions between two people speaking totally different languages.
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Yeah, he doesn't give a lot of thought to anything.
 
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Lighthouse said:
Yeah, he doesn't give a lot of thought to anything.
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Well, for what it's worth I have yet to hear one person here agree plainly that if a person was a nursing babe at the time of the crucifixion, and the destruction of Jerusalem was to take place when he was adult, then Christ was talking about that DofJ and had been all through Luke. These people will spit blood before they will see the obvious.
 
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Well, for what it's worth I have yet to hear one person here agree plainly that if a person was a nursing babe at the time of the crucifixion, and the destruction of Jerusalem was to take place when he was adult, then Christ was talking about that DofJ and had been all through Luke. These people will spit blood before they will see the obvious.
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Are you really trying to hang onto that still????
Are you really that dense?

Luke 23:29 KJV
(29) For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.



It's not talking about babies nursing at the time He spoke these words, that will grow up later.
He's talking about a future time when those without nursing babies will be considered the blessed ones.
If one has a nursing baby AT THAT TIME (ie. in the future), that one will not be considered a blessed one.

You need to read that verse 100x.
 
musterion

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Well, for what it's worth I have yet to hear one person here agree plainly that if a person was a nursing babe at the time of the crucifixion, and the destruction of Jerusalem was to take place when he was adult, then Christ was talking about that DofJ and had been all through Luke. These people will spit blood before they will see the obvious.
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At least we don't say the Words of Christ don't actually mean what He plainly said, just because it disagrees with our Catholicism.
 
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