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And shall lay thee [Jerusalem] even with the ground, and thy children within thee;
The children are going to be destroyed just as the city.
ECT MAD is defeated by the locked timeframe of Lk 23
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And shall lay thee [Jerusalem] even with the ground, and thy children within thee;
The children are going to be destroyed just as the city.
They were both destroyed.
(Luke 13:34) “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.
Interplanner
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Since we know that there were stones left upon another in 70 AD, I suspect not all the children of Jerusalem were killed in 70 AD either..
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the place was already declared desolate in the sense of Dan 9 and Thess says all the wrath of God was complete, and Lk 21 said 'the wrath as written was complete.' Who are you to pick it apart?
Anyway, the biological clock reality remains and you are wrong.
(Matt 2:3 KJV) When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
The above verse says "ALL" of Jerusalem was troubled at the birth of Christ.
Is that true?
Was "ALL" of Jerusalem troubled at the birth of Christ?
No it doesn't.
You don't know squat about MAD.
And could you be bothered to explain your acronyms and initiaisms in your OPs? What does "Dofj" stand for?
Pretty much.
You haven't even bothered to tell us what passage is in question here. Luke 23 is about the trial and crucifixion and burial of Christ.
And a great multitude of the people followed Him, and women who also mourned and lamented Him. But Jesus, turning to them, said, [Jesus]“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!’ Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!”’ For if they do these things in the green wood, what will be done in the dry?”[/Jesus]
Luke 23:27-31
I see no reason to think this passage is not about the same as the others.
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Yes, but the old adage even a broken biological clock is right twice a day rings true, as Holford and Payne showed, to those with eyes to see, Amos 9D cannot be undone, but we must look for it with spiritual eyes leaving behind the red dirt and carnality of what will no more be. Agreed?
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Payne? You might as well say Stalin worked for Doctors Without Borders.
It's time for you to take the Scriptures seriously. Maybe for the first time.
Revelation 6:16 KJV
(16) And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Revelation 9:6 KJV
(6) And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
No death for them.
Luke 19:44 KJV
(44) And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
Death for them.
Things that differ are not the same.
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That's nonsense of course, like saying that there are 1000 hills in Israel because of that expression.
You might try using the passage in question and the biological clock in question. It is very suspicious that you can never quite use them.
You see it as nonsense because you are a moron.
Sounds just like something a moron would say.
Already have.
You are just too much of moron to realize it.
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50 AD
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The passage doesn't give a calendar date.
But some moron might try to put one in that passage.
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None of us have, and they both know it. 70 was a destruction, but not the destruction foretold by Christ. Too much does not fit.
But even that isn't really the point for them. We're trying to deal rationally with a pair of authoritarian cultists who, mentally, operate exactly like Meshak. They choose on a case by case basis whether they believe this or that text of Scripture by one metric alone: can it be prooftexted for preterism? If they think it can, then it's literally true TO THE LETTER and you're an fool if you disagree. If it doesn't fit preterism, or militates against preterism, they're forced to explain its secret figurative meaning that only a moron cannot see. Sometimes such literal/figurative contradictions are created all within the same passage but they don't care. There is no dealing rationally with such because rationality really isn't involved. There's no dealing honestly with dishonesty. Agenda [emotion] is why they're here...axes are being forever ground, so there's no successful arguing against emotion. Waste of time, but continued exposure of their blind idiocy is necessary I suppose.
If they are already adults in 70 AD, then they are not babes nursing in 70 AD.
But morons won't be able to connect the dots.