Lifting & Fasting

[Idolater]

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Joe Rogan's turn. I think he worked with Gary Brecka. It was him or White. Brecka was talking about it in one of his presentations.

He's a little skinnier than me rn.

 

[Idolater]

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Thomas DeLauer, same thing. He has a youtube channel where he covers the science of why for many things. Another promoter of high fat, low carb, and fasting. He will also tell you about taking in carbs for the insulin reaction in a positive way.

If I'm repeating myself forgive me, but he's an IF guy, intermittent fasting. That's not what I mean by Fasting in this thread, it's fine, it's just I really mean basically 36 hours minimum, to cover an entire waking day, not just one meal a day like OMAD, or eating windows, or some other intermittent fasting thing.

All that's fine, and if it works for you and it cheers you, great.

 

[Idolater]

Which part? That you're unavoidably going to lose muscularity when fasting? or that it's a balancing act?


There's zero marbling in the muscularity of elite bodybuilders, you know this.

It's very hard to be strong without being fat. You have to control your diet.

In order to be slim and trim, you also have to control your diet.

So might as well be strong.

 

[Nick M]

191.4 lbs 6'2

 

[Idolater]

191.4 lbs 6'2

135 LBS overhead press, 225 LBS bench press, >330 LBS squat, 450 LBS deadlift.

 

[Nick M]

I did an incline press of 255 once as part of a job requirement. It was based on age and weight. I no longer lift. Push ups only. Never body building.

 

[Idolater]

I did an incline press of 255 once as part of a job requirement. It was based on age and weight.

That's awesome. Did you work up to that or were you just that genetically strong? My upper body lags (actually so do my squats) due to chronic, nagging injuries.¹ I used to be able to flat bench over 250 LBS but chronic nagging shoulder injury has limited me there and with the overhead press, whereas I'm not that injury limited in the deadlift.²


¹ I spend like half my time on the bench press and overhead press in de-load, which is about 3/8 of my 1RM, hoping today's session there'll be no discomfort, so I can get back to normal (3/4 and 9/10 of my 1RM, 3/4 for muscle building and 9/10 work is for strength).

² Although now I'm finding I have been causing a tendonitis type injury doing touch-and-go deadlifts all along, just hadn't noticed it because it wasn't acute enough to notice it happening, and always presented later on, so delayed onset, I didn't even know it was caused during weight training at all.

I no longer lift. Push ups only. Never body building.

I like especially the touch-and-go deadlift because of how much of you the movement requires. I use straps, just like everybody who's not competing in powerlifting does.³ So that your grip doesn't limit you. You want something besides your grip to be the reason you can't do anymore, that's why straps are good. Your thighs and back and shoulders are all together much stronger than your grip is, so you use straps.


³ Those guys have to use either a mixed grip or a "hook" grip, which is a brutal sacrifice of your thumb so that you can hold on to a heavier bar than normal—basically using your thumb as a partial strap—and since ofc that does not sound right, since your thumb is not a strap at all, it is terribly uncomfortable—so it's a good thing if you can use just straps.

 

[Nick M]

Did you work up to that or were you just that genetically strong?

Push ups. I haven't used a gym in decades.