Learning Torah

[Jacob]

One of the best ways to learn Torah is to expose yourself to the Torah reading on Shabbat (the Sabbath). I see value in listening to the Torah read aloud.

Personal study of Torah is also beneficial. A person can indeed read the Bible on his or her own.

Do you listen to Torah being read? How do you study Torah?

 

[fzappa13]

One of the things I have most admired about the Jewish faith is that if they attend Sabbath services they will hear the Torah twice in a year. In the Protestant faith, for the most part, those who so attend will be lucky to hear a few dozen verses in that same time period.

Reading it systematically has it's value but I like to follow words and phrases as they continually reappear and help to flesh out the meaning of them in aggregate.

 

[Ktoyou]

One of the best ways to learn Torah is to expose yourself to the Torah reading on Shabbat (the Sabbath). I see value in listening to the Torah read aloud.

Personal study of Torah is also beneficial. A person can indeed read the Bible on his or her own.

Do you listen to Torah being read? How do you study Torah?

You surly are able to study it in Thursday, so read it tomorrow

 

[6days]

One of the best ways to learn Torah is to expose yourself to the Torah reading on Shabbat (the Sabbath). I see value in listening to the Torah read aloud.

Personal study of Torah is also beneficial. A person can indeed read the Bible on his or her own.

Do you listen to Torah being read? How do you study Torah?

You have to admire the 12 year old who had the entire thing memorized.

 

[Jacob]

One of the things I have most admired about the Jewish faith is that if they attend Sabbath services they will hear the Torah twice in a year. In the Protestant faith, for the most part, those who so attend will be lucky to hear a few dozen verses in that same time period.

Reading it systematically has it's value but I like to follow words and phrases as they continually reappear and help to flesh out the meaning of them in aggregate.

I have been a part of congregations with both the three year Torah reading cycle and the one year Torah reading cycle.

 

[lukecash12]

I have been a part of congregations with both the three year Torah reading cycle and the one year Torah reading cycle.

Am I right in assuming that you're a Messianic Jew? That particular group has fascinated me for some time now.

As for reading the Torah, I think it's great to cover it all and have noticed that there are significant areas of scripture which are glossed over by basically all Protestants, especially evangelicals and charismatics. The Song of Solomon in particular is avoided like the plague, which I personally think is a shame.

 

[Jacob]

Am I right in assuming that you're a Messianic Jew? That particular group has fascinated me for some time now.

As for reading the Torah, I think it's great to cover it all and have noticed that there are significant areas of scripture which are glossed over by basically all Protestants, especially evangelicals and charismatics. The Song of Solomon in particular is avoided like the plague, which I personally think is a shame.

The congregations I referred to are Messianic or Jewish.

 

[RBBI]

I study for myself and I also attend Shabbat services. The Rabbi there is an expert on the book of Isaiah. Peace

 

[Jacob]

One of the best ways to learn Torah is to expose yourself to the Torah reading on Shabbat (the Sabbath). I see value in listening to the Torah read aloud.

Personal study of Torah is also beneficial. A person can indeed read the Bible on his or her own.

Do you listen to Torah being read? How do you study Torah?

In my personal Torah study I read from my Chumash. It includes a commentary anthologized from the Rabbinic writings.

On the Sabbath, in addition to hearing the Torah read, there is also benefit from listening to the Rabbi and what he has to say about the Torah portion.

 

[RBBI]

In my personal Torah study I read from my Chumash. It includes a commentary anthologized from the Rabbinic writings.

On the Sabbath, in addition to hearing the Torah read, there is also benefit from listening to the Rabbi and what he has to say about the Torah portion.

Definitely. And had not the wild olive branch boasted itself against the other one, we'd ALL be listening to Torah portions every true Sabbath, as He intended. But I'm sure it didn't take Him by surprise, since He knows the hearts of men. Peace

 

[Jacob]

Definitely. And had not the wild olive branch boasted itself against the other one, we'd ALL be listening to Torah portions every true Sabbath, as He intended. But I'm sure it didn't take Him by surprise, since He knows the hearts of men. Peace

Not everyone spends the time to understand Torah.

 

[aikido7]

One of the best ways to learn Torah is to expose yourself to the Torah reading on Shabbat (the Sabbath). I see value in listening to the Torah read aloud.

Personal study of Torah is also beneficial. A person can indeed read the Bible on his or her own.

Do you listen to Torah being read? How do you study Torah?

First of all, I believe all Christians should dispense with the term "Old" Testament. It is the Hebrew Bible, and all Jews take it on its own terms--they do not change the context to reflect prophesy of Jesus's coming as Matthew freely does.

The great moral narrative of the Jewish people--from Pharaoh to Exodus, to wandering in the wilderness to eventual paradise--is conveniently ignored by traditional Christians.

And the Jews proclivity to build into the very structure of their society a kind of ancient socialism that gives justice and dignity to all.
And, of course, Jesus--being a Jew himself--pushed that envelope to its limits and preached an ethic that went way beyond what the Jews had done.

His preaching around poverty makes up the clear majority of his viewpoint. And, of course, his embrace of the destitute and homeless, as well as those considered "impure" or outside the gates of the city.

 

[RBBI]

Not everyone spends the time to understand Torah.

You said it....Makes no sense to me why anyone would be more inclined to throw away precious centuries of rabbis studying all day every day, their entire lifetime's work, and who actually know the language, in favor of relative "Johnny come latelys".

If you want your car to run, you don't take it to a bakery shop. But hey, what do I know. Care for a little icing on that Ford? :chuckle:

 

[Jacob]

First of all, I believe all Christians should dispense with the term "Old" Testament. It is the Hebrew Bible, and all Jews take it on its own terms--they do not change the context to reflect prophesy of Jesus's coming as Matthew freely does.

The great moral narrative of the Jewish people--from Pharaoh to Exodus, to wandering in the wilderness to eventual paradise--is conveniently ignored by traditional Christians.

And the Jews proclivity to build into the very structure of their society a kind of ancient socialism that gives justice and dignity to all.
And, of course, Jesus--being a Jew himself--pushed that envelope to its limits and preached an ethic that went way beyond what the Jews had done.

His preaching around poverty makes up the clear majority of his viewpoint. And, of course, his embrace of the destitute and homeless, as well as those considered "impure" or outside the gates of the city.

We all have things to learn here. Paying particular attention to the words being used is something you are no doubt aware of the need for. I do hope we can better understand what is being said through study of the Torah itself.

When you speak of the gospel of Matthew, I do not know that I follow what you are saying. It is not time to argue. But I do wonder if further study of the Torah and the rest of the TaNaKh will help to inform you in your reading of Matthew.

 

[aikido7]

We all have things to learn here. Paying particular attention to the words being used is something you are no doubt aware of the need for. I do hope we can better understand what is being said through study of the Torah itself.

When you speak of the gospel of Matthew, I do not know that I follow what you are saying. It is not time to argue. But I do wonder if further study of the Torah and the rest of the TaNaKh will help to inform you in your reading of Matthew.

Anything Jewish from biblical times helps me understand the agendas of the gospel writers and better informs me. But let it be known that I do not accept the idea that Jesus was intending to found a new religion. He was a Jew of his time who radically and profoundly pushed the envelope of Judaism up to that time.

I can easily look at Matthew this way: the early followers of Jesus often used the concept of "messiah" to refer to Jesus and to locate him within Jewish tradition. But one major problem was that a messiah figure could never be killed or martyred. All the word actually meant was an anointed military king who would defeat the conquerors with their boot on the Jewish neck. So the early followers soon proclaimed a resurrection of the body (except Paul, who saw a different type of body) and Jesus became firmly anchored into a secure tradition.

I think Matthew's agenda was to make the normative Jews aware of Jesus's prophetic vision as being pre-figured in the Hebrew Bible (what we call the "Old" Testament). But a careful examination (and the only common sense one, in my opinion) is that the great Hebrew prophets spoke to the conditions and to the historical details in their OWN time and place.

They were prophets in the sense that they saw the way Israel was going and that if it did not repent it would go where it was headed. But there is no way anyone could speak of Jesus particularly in a time thousands of years before his birth.

I only wish now I had studied Greek more. The fact that we now possess multiple translations of the gospels indicate that God's inspiration works in many different ways.

 

[Jacob]

Anything Jewish from biblical times helps me understand the agendas of the gospel writers and better informs me. But let it be known that I do not accept the idea that Jesus was intending to found a new religion. He was a Jew of his time who radically and profoundly pushed the envelope of Judaism up to that time.

I only wish now I had studied Greek more. The fact that we now possess multiple translations of the gospels indicate that God's inspiration works in many different ways.

Jesus did not bring, found, or start a new religion.

Matthew can be found in Hebrew as well as in Greek. I have listened to the Hebrew, though I am still learning Hebrew.

 

[aikido7]

... though I am still learning Hebrew.

I am jealous! If I were younger and "on fire" for Jesus back then as I am now, I would have probably studied Hebrew and gone to a seminary or a Bible college.

Since most biblical scholars use the LXX for their baseline source, it's the Greek that is also important to know (just my opinion).

It is so cool you are immersing yourself in Christian tradition. We cannot ignore what the Jews did and what kind of society they envisioned. They were the only ones who were seriously committed to building a socialist-type structure into the very culture they held dear. And Jesus, of course, built on that attitude and extended it far beyond any Jew's conception at the time. In my view, anyway.

 

[Jacob]

I am jealous! If I were younger and "on fire" for Jesus back then as I am now, I would have probably studied Hebrew and gone to a seminary or a Bible college.

Since most biblical scholars use the LXX for their baseline source, it's the Greek that is also important to know (just my opinion).

It is so cool you are immersing yourself in Christian tradition. We cannot ignore what the Jews did and what kind of society they envisioned. They were the only ones who were seriously committed to building a socialist-type structure into the very culture they held dear. And Jesus, of course, built on that attitude and extended it far beyond any Jew's conception at the time. In my view, anyway.

Torah study can be a part of Christian education just as it is within Judaism.

 

[aikido7]

Torah study can be a part of Christian education just as it is within Judaism.

Given Christian origins, Judaism must be studied--even a little.

 

[Jacob]

Given Christian origins, Judaism must be studied--even a little.

Judaism predates Christianity. Even the early church following Yeshua's ascension was entirely Jewish. But with the expectation that the Messiah would come having been present within Judaism, it was only later that some believers and followers, disciples really, were called Christian. Before this there were only followers of the way.

I posit that Christianity neither was nor is a new religion.