Justification from everlasting !

[beloved57]

In Christ before the foundation, and so Justified the same !

All who were in Christ Chosen before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Were also from the Divine Perspective, which Perspective is Preeminent/foremost above all else, they were before the foundation Justified from all things as stated of these Acts 13:39

And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

In the original that word by is the prep en the same as in Eph 1:4 " Chosen in en Him before the foundation "

Those believing therefore learn via the Gospel of their Justification from all things in Christ before the foundation, a Justification they could not have by the Law of Moses !

Now again, this is to be understood as a Justification they had before and without Faith or Believing in Christ, but due to the fact of the Divine Perspective that they had a Union with Christ [in Him] before the foundation.

The Truth of the Gospel is to be so explained that God from everlasting had Justified those Chosen in Christ, all the Elect, The Church of Christ, as He always saw them in His Beloved Eph 1:6

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

This Truth in Vs 6 " made accepted in the Beloved" is an Eternal act , not an temporal one, though the Truth of it is revealed to the Justified ones in Time !

This Justification was not because of any foreseen act of believing in the Justified sinner, for it was an fact before they were born, as they were viewed as the members of Christ's Body Ps 139:16

16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Note: All my members were written" this alludes to Christ's members written in the Lambs Book of Life , written before the foundation Rev 13:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 17:8

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

[beloved57]

Saved in the Purpose of God equals Eternal Justification !

Did you know that all who are in time converted by the Gospel, which is a saving in and of itself, saved by the Power of the Gospel Rom 1:16

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation[conversion] to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

1 Cor 1:18,21

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved[converted] it is the power of God.

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Saved by the Spirits Renewing/Sanctification Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

2 Thess 2:13,14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel[The Power of God Rom 1:16], to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

These were already saved in te Purpose of God 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Now understand, In the Purpose of God, all for whom Christ would die for in Time @ the Cross of Calvary, to bare their sins in His own Body 1 Pet 2:24, they were already saved from their sins penalty incurred by Adam Rom 5:12 and with regard to their own personal sins Rom 5:16 and here the many offences comes from all the personal sins of those who at first sinned in their Federal and Natural head Adam, Adams sin was their inlet sin for the avalanche of sins they would commit upon physical birth;

Yet in the Purpose of God, they were Saved from, Justified from them by the Non Imputation of their sins unto them, and this blessing before the foundation is a vital branch of Eternal Salvation Heb 5:9, in that there was a world of people Chosen in Christ before the foundation, whom God would not charge or impute with their sins 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[Truster]

Philipp Melanchthon disagrees with you in his article on original sin. THE AUGSBURG CONFESSION. A.D. 1530.

Also they teach that, after Adam's fall, all men begotten after the common course of nature are born with sin; that is, without the fear of God, without trust in him, and with fleshly appetite; and that this disease, or original fault, is truly sin, condemning and bringing eternal death now also upon all that are not born again by baptism and the Holy Spirit.

How can all men be born with sin if they have already been justified?

 

[beloved57]

Philipp Melanchthon disagrees with you in his article on original sin. THE AUGSBURG CONFESSION. A.D. 1530.

Also they teach that, after Adam's fall, all men begotten after the common course of nature are born with sin; that is, without the fear of God, without trust in him, and with fleshly appetite; and that this disease, or original fault, is truly sin, condemning and bringing eternal death now also upon all that are not born again by baptism and the Holy Spirit.

How can all men be born with sin if they have already been justified?

Evasion and Rabbit Trail comments !

 

[Truster]

Evasion and Rabbit Trail comments !

Evasion? Facts my boy, that you have chosen to ignore, because the fly directly in the face of your twisted doctrine.

 

[beloved57]

Evasion? Facts my boy, that you have chosen to ignore, because the fly directly in the face of your twisted doctrine.

You don't believe the Gospel if you don't believe in Eternal Justification, in fact you don't believe in God if you don't !

 

[Truster]

Why is it you state and continue to state that Tulip is the Evangel and yet you deny the teaching of J Calvin which states:THROUGH THE FALL AND REVOLT OF ADAM, THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE MADE ACCURSED AND DEGENERATE.

 

[Truster]

You don't believe the Gospel if you don't believe in Eternal Justification, in fact you don't believe in God if you don't !

If justification were eternal then Adam should not and could not have fallen. Because according to your dogma he was already justified and the sentence of death was illegal. A justified man cannot be condemned.

 

[Nanja]

Did you know that all who are in time converted by the Gospel, which is a saving in and of itself, saved by the Power of the Gospel Rom 1:16

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation[conversion] to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

1 Cor 1:18,21

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved[converted] it is the power of God.

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Saved by the Spirits Renewing/Sanctification Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

2 Thess 2:13,14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel[The Power of God Rom 1:16], to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

These were already saved in te Purpose of God 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Now understand, In the Purpose of God, all for whom Christ would die for in Time @ the Cross of Calvery, to bare their sins in His own Body 1 Pet 2:24, they were already saved from their sins penalty incurred by Adam Rom 5:12 and with regard to their own personal sins Rom 5:16 and here the many offences comes from all the personal sins of those who at first sinned in their Federal and Natural head Adam, Adams sin was their inlet sin for the avalanche of sins they would commit upon physical birth;

Yet in the Purpose of God, they were Saved from, Justified from them by the Non Imputation of their sins unto them, and this blessing before the foundation is a vital branch of Eternal Salvation Heb 5:9, in that there was a world of people Chosen in Christ before the foundation, whom God would not charge or impute with their sins 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Thank God! It is a Chosen "Justified World".

In the Mind and Purpose of God, by the Lamb Slain before the foundation Rev. 13:8; 1 Pet. 1:19-20,
they were declared to be Righteous because they were Chosen In Christ before time.

So being that His Righteousness was imputed to them, they were declared holy and without blame
before Him in love, even before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4.

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[Truster]

Thank God! It is a Chosen "Justified World".

In the Mind and Purpose of God, by the Lamb Slain before the foundation Rev. 13:8; 1 Pet. 1:19-20,
they were declared to be Righteous because they were Chosen In Christ before time.

So being that His Righteousness was imputed to them, they were declared holy and without blame
before Him in love, even before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4.

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So although you state that Calvin's Tulip is the gospel you believe he was wrong in his teaching on the application of redemption? for some reason....
Redemption was decreed before the foundation of the world, but must be applied to the elect, in time and on earth.

 

[Nanja]

So although you state that Calvin's Tulip is the gospel you believe he was wrong in his teaching on the application of redemption? for some reason....
Redemption was decreed before the foundation of the world, but must be applied to the elect, in time and on earth.

No contradiction.

Christ was the Redeemer of the Election before He was the Creator.

Ps. 74:2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old;
the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion,
wherein thou hast dwelt.

Any Purchase of God is solely by the Blood of Christ.

The ones declared holy and without blame before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4
are the same who will become Born of the Spirit in time when they hear the Gospel of their Salvation Eph. 1:13.

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[Truster]

No contradiction.

Christ was the Redeemer of the Election before He was the Creator.

Ps. 74:2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old;
the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion,
wherein thou hast dwelt.

Any Purchase of God is solely by the Blood of Christ.

The ones declared holy and without blame before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4
are the same who will become Born of the Spirit in time when they hear the Gospel of their Salvation Eph. 1:13.

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The very man whose works you call the gospel, which they are not. Denies your doctrine and you say there is no contradiction when there is flat denial.

 

[beloved57]

If justification were eternal then Adam should not and could not have fallen. Because according to your dogma he was already justified and the sentence of death was illegal. A justified man cannot be condemned.

Thats one of the dead give aways that you are not a believer, you reject the Gospel Truth of Eternal Justification ! No one who rejects Eternal Justification is in a experimentally saved state ! For all intents and purposes they are in a lost and blinded state !

 

[Truster]

Thats one of the dead give aways that you are not a believer, you reject the Gospel Truth of Eternal Justification ! No one who rejects Eternal Justification is in a experimentally saved state ! For all intents and purposes they are in a lost and blinded state !

I deserve eternal damnation.

 

[Truster]

But you seem to think your dogma will save you.

 

[Nang]

If justification were eternal then Adam should not and could not have fallen. Because according to your dogma he was already justified and the sentence of death was illegal. A justified man cannot be condemned.

Exactly correct.

B57 does not comprehend the corporeal necessity of the atonement being worked in flesh in the fullness of time.

The justification worked by Jesus on the cross was decreed in eternity, but was necessarily and willingly accomplished as a Man, through His bodily death and resurrection.

 

[beloved57]

Saved in the Purpose of God equals Eternal Justification !2

Yet in the Purpose of God, they were Saved from, Justified from them by the Non Imputation of their sins unto them, and this blessing before the foundation is a vital branch of Eternal Salvation Heb 5:9, in that there was a world of people Chosen in Christ before the foundation, whom God would not charge or impute with their sins 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The reason being, for non imputation of sin upon that world of people, God in His Eternal Purpose has already charged the condemnation of their sins to Christ [God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them]

Hence He was in the Purpose of God, the Lamb slain [for sins imputed] from the foundation Rev 13:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Appointed before the foundation 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

And so the Gospel Message is that of Non Imputation of Sin 2 Cor 5:18-19

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The question is when exactly was God in Christ reconciling the World to Himself, and not imputing their trespasses to them ? It was before the foundation in the Everlasting Covenant !

In John Gills excellent Paper on Eternal Justification, we read this:

. The everlasting transaction, the same excellent writer thinks, is imported in #2Co 5:19. "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them". And the very learned Witsius {17} is of opinion, "that this act of God may be called, the general justification of the elect." And, indeed, since it was the determination of God, and the scheme and method he proposed to take in Christ for the reconciliation of the elect, not to impute their sins to them, but to his Son, their Surety; then seeing they are not imputed to them, but to him; and if reckoned and accounted to him, then not to them; and if charged to him, then they must be discharged from them, and so justified; and a non-imputation of sin to the elect, is no other than a justification of them; and thus the apostle strongly concludes the imputation of Christ's righteousness; which is the "formalis ratio", or the form of justification, from the non-imputation of sin, and the remission of it, #Ro 4:6-8.

http://www.mountzionpbc.org/Index/index04.htm

So the Non Imputation of sin is an Gospel Doctrine[2 Cor 5:19] is based upon Paul's Knowledge of the Eternal Purpose of God in Christ 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace[In the Everlasting Covenant], which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

 

[Truster]

Exactly correct.

B57 does not comprehend the corporeal necessity of the atonement being worked in flesh in the fullness of time.

The justification worked by Jesus on the cross was decreed in eternity, but was necessarily and willingly accomplished as a Man, through His bodily death and resurrection.

It has to be experienced to be understood, but he laughs at experiential spirituality. He's got his books you see Nang, but by the looks of things, he's torn out some pages to suit his dogma.

 

[Nang]

None of the above fits your teaching of eternal justification, B57.

You are reading your views into scripture and various sound teachings; not comprehending that they are not in alignment with your presuppositions.

 

[Truster]

Yet in the Purpose of God, they were Saved from, Justified from them by the Non Imputation of their sins unto them, and this blessing before the foundation is a vital branch of Eternal Salvation Heb 5:9, in that there was a world of people Chosen in Christ before the foundation, whom God would not charge or impute with their sins 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The reason being, for non imputation of sin upon that world of people, God in His Eternal Purpose has already charged the condemnation of their sins to Christ [God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them]

Hence He was in the Purpose of God, the Lamb slain [for sins imputed] from the foundation Rev 13:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Appointed before the foundation 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

And so the Gospel Message is that of Non Imputation of Sin 2 Cor 5:18-19

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The question is when exactly was God in Christ reconciling the World to Himself, and not imputing their trespasses to them ? It was before the foundation in the Everlasting Covenant !

In John Gills excellent Paper on Eternal Justification, we read this:



http://www.mountzionpbc.org/Index/index04.htm

So the Non Imputation of sin is an Gospel Doctrine[2 Cor 5:19]is based upon Paul's Knowledge of the Eternal Purpose of God in Christ 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace[In the Everlasting Covenant], which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

''Blessed is the man to whom Adonay does not no way account sin''.

This is scripture and the scripture is correct. Prior to regeneration however sin is accounted to the man and when the burden is lifted and sin is not longer put to his account that man knows the difference.