John Calvin's Nazi God.

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Arthur Brain

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John Calvin taught that God predestinates people to hell before they are born. This is probably one of the worst doctrines ever conceived by the un-regenerated, twisted, perverted mind of man. What is even more shocking is that there are tens of thousands that accept and believe his doctrine. John Calvin also taught that some people were the elect and that they were special to God, while others were fuel for the fire.

Hitler believed that the Jewish people were the scum of the earth and should be annihilated. He murdered about 6 million of them before he was stopped. Hitler also believed that the German people were the master race and that they were special to God. If you were not German you were sub human. Hitler not only murdered Jews, he also murdered tens of thousands of people with physical and mental defects. He was trying to get rid of everyone that was offensive to the German master race.

Are there some parallels here between what John Calvin believed and what Hitler believed? I think that there is. They both believe that humans should be destroyed. This is the Spirit of Satan. Satan is the destroyer. I believe that when God announced to the angels in heaven that he was going to create a race of humans that would be greater than angels and that the angels would be subject to them, that there was rebellion in heaven, Revelation 12:7. Satan and his group were expelled from heaven and are still here on the earth today. They are demons. One of these demons got into the mind of John Calvin and convinced him that God predestinates people to hell before they are born.

I have found that people reflect in their lives what they believe about God. Muslims believe that Allah is a warring God. The Koran says, "Kill the infidels" (unbelievers) This is why Muslims think that they are doing God service when they murder people. Hitler thought he was doing God service by murdering the Jews. Hitler's excuse for murdering the Jews was that they were responsible for the crucifixion of Christ and because of that they needed to terminated.

John Calvin was the tyrant of Geneva. Here are some of his recorded atrocities.

1. During the ravages of the pestilence in 1545 more than twenty men and women were burned alive.
2. From 1542 to 1546 fifty eight judgments of death and twenty six decrees of banishment were passed.
3. During the years 1558 and 1559 the cases of various punishments for all sorts of offences amounted to four hundred and fourteen.
4. One burgher smiled while attending baptism: three days in jail.
5. Another,tired out on a hot summer day, went to sleep during a sermon, was sentenced to prison.
6. Some workmen ate pastry at breakfast: three days on bread and water.
7. Two burgers played skittles: prison.
8. Two others diced for a quarter bottle of wine: prison.
9. A blind fiddler played and danced: expelled from the city.
10. Another praised Castello's translation of the Bible: expelled from the city.
11. A girl was caught skating. A widow threw herself on her husbands grave. A burgher offered his neighbor a pinch of snuff during a divine service: they were summoned befor the Consistory, exhorted and orfdered to do penance.
!2. Some cheerful fellows at Epiphany stuck a bean in a cake: twenty four hours on bread and water.
13. A couple of peasants talked about business matters on coming out of church: prison.
14. A man played cards: he was pilloried with a pack hung around his neck.
15. Another sang riotiously in the streets was told, "they could go sing elsewhere" this meaning that he was banished from the city.
16. Two burgees had a brawl: executed.

The death penalty against heresy, idolatry and blasphemy and barbarous customs of torture were retained. Attendance at public worship was commanded on penalty of three sols. Watchmen were appointed to see that people went to church. The members of the Consistory visited every house to see that people went to church. The members of the Consistory visited every house once a year to examine the faith and the morals of the family> Every unseemly word and act on the streets was reported and the offenders were cited before the Consistory to be either censored and warned, or to be handed over to the council for severer punishment. (Compiled by Jack Moorman)

Just before Hitler began murdering the Jews he imposed sever sanctions upon them. If John Calvin would have lived long enough he would have become another Hitler.

Elitism is one of the more serious sins of humanity. To be an "elite" means that you are one of the more choicest part of a social group. Calvinist refer to these people as the "elect". They are the elect because they believe that they have been chosen by God to be his very own special people and the rest have been condemned to hell as worthless trash. If this is what you believe that God does, or is what God is like, you do not posses the Holy Spirit and are not a Christian. Christians are saved and justified by faith. We have faith that God is holy, Just, merciful and righteous. You cannot and will not be saved if you believe that God is a Nazi that delights in predestinating people to hell.

Well, I can appreciate your criticism of Calvinism certainly but then, if you believe in an eternal 'hell' of suffering of any particular sort or cause then the same could be directed at you. Many of Hitler's victims won't have been "saved" in the traditional sense so what of them? The 'open view' isn't that much better IMO as it's usually a case of those who end up in such a place have "chosen" it which is just as callous and nonsensical.
 

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Well, I can appreciate your criticism of Calvinism certainly but then, if you believe in an eternal 'hell' of suffering of any particular sort or cause then the same could be directed at you. Many of Hitler's victims won't have been "saved" in the traditional sense so what of them? The 'open view' isn't that much better IMO as it's usually a case of those who end up in such a place have "chosen" it which is just as callous and nonsensical.


I don't like the idea of an eternal hell, but the Bible teaches it, Matthew 25:46.
 

freelight

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hell busters..............

hell busters..............

I don't like the idea of an eternal hell, but the Bible teaches it, Matthew 25:46.

We've challenged ECT (eternal conscious torment) here and elsewhere. - your welcome to add to that thread on the subject. This specific verse and others are dissected. The alternative options of 'annihilation' and 'universalism' are also touched on there. There is actually more support passagewise for 'conditional immortality', than ECT, and then a good portion for universalism as well, but that's for another thread.
 

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We've challenged ECT (eternal conscious torment) here and elsewhere. - your welcome to add to that thread on the subject. This specific verse and others are dissected. The alternative options of 'annihilation' and 'universalism' are also touched on there. There is actually more support passagewise for 'conditional immortality', than ECT, and then a good portion for universalism as well, but that's for another thread.

I believe that the soul will be destroyed in hell. I see little to no value in the doctrine of ECT. Why would God make someone suffer in hell for all eternity? The destruction of the soul would be eternal death and would be very painful.
 

freelight

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2 Options, life or death............

2 Options, life or death............

I believe that the soul will be destroyed in hell. I see little to no value in the doctrine of ECT. Why would God make someone suffer in hell for all eternity? The destruction of the soul would be eternal death and would be very painful.

Well,...with the annihilation view, of 'soul-death',....the wicked are wholly destroyed, terminated, wiped out, disintegrated. Such a 'fate' is death in its finality. The particular soul undergoing such a death (the 2nd death) no longer has a conscious existence, so all pain is forever gone. All potential for that surviving soul-entity is expired, anything of eternal experiential value is absorbed back into the OverSoul of Creation, and/or carries on with the spirit-fragment of God that indwelt that soul, - but either way,....all that has true value or meaning is saved and added to the Supreme Being, the Universal Consciousness. - this is a provisional teaching from some modern day schools or revelations, but it is logical. The Urantia Papers especially go into some detail on the process involved in 'soul-death', which I refer to as 'disintegration'. So yes,...the soul-death view allows a soul to suffer the most extreme consequence of a whole-hearted embrace of iniquity and final and emphatic rejection of God. Death in this sense is the final cancellation.

Then there is the view of universal salvation, where all souls eventually/ultimately reunite with Source :) - each view has its perks, problems and nuances. But I think most who intuit the love and wisdom of God, could never imagine Deity being the enforcer or provider of ECT. - the traditional belief or image of God torturing sinners in hellfire FOREVER is horrendous. - its done damage to the human psyche and the true image of 'God'.
 

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I believe that the soul will be destroyed in hell. I see little to no value in the doctrine of ECT. Why would God make someone suffer in hell for all eternity? The destruction of the soul would be eternal death and would be very painful.

The above is just more for the ongoing list of Robert Pate's growing list of errors:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...edestination&p=4402162&viewfull=1#post4402162

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Why didn't you post what you believe about hell? You should try to learn all that you can about it, because you may wind up there.
Robert,

Why don't you keep up with what I have posted?

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-need-a-hell&p=4604774&viewfull=1#post4604774

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4605440#post4605440

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?113700-Heaven-when-do-we-go-there&p=4492357#post4492357

Not unexpected, as you never directly respond to anyone who answers you, especially someone who demonstrates your many errors. You just repeat your same mere opinions and move on to the next blog entry.

Given your stated lack of understanding of the doctrine of everlasting punishment, here are some suggested deeper treatments:

http://www.bible-researcher.com/eternal.punishment.pdf

http://www.bible-researcher.com/hell7.html

http://www.bible-researcher.com/hell2.html

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Robert,

Why don't you keep up with what I have posted?

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-need-a-hell&p=4604774&viewfull=1#post4604774

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4605440#post4605440

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?113700-Heaven-when-do-we-go-there&p=4492357#post4492357

Not unexpected, as you never directly respond to anyone who answers you, especially someone who demonstrates your many errors. You just repeat your same mere opinions and move on to the next blog entry.

Given your stated lack of understanding of the doctrine of everlasting punishment, here are some suggested deeper treatments:

http://www.bible-researcher.com/eternal.punishment.pdf

http://www.bible-researcher.com/hell7.html

http://www.bible-researcher.com/hell2.html

AMR

I don't have much time or interest in some one that believes God is unjust and that his Son Jesus Christ is a failure.
 

beloved57

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You are the one that has embraced the doctrine of a man. You already have one foot in hell.

You embrace the doctrine of the devil, freewill god. You deny the saving death of Christ, which would make Him a failure, and you teach that Gods Justice is perverted, because you have Him exacting Divine Vengeance on sinners that He already did on Christ ! That's injustice !
 

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You embrace the doctrine of the devil, freewill god. You deny the saving death of Christ, which would make Him a failure, and you teach that Gods Justice is perverted, because you have Him exacting Divine Vengeance on sinners that He already did on Christ ! That's injustice !

No, I embrace the Gospel of Jesus Christ and justification by faith that you reject.
 

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No you embrace the doctrine of the devil justification by your own freewill. You reject the Truth that all for whom Christ died were Justified !

How many scriptures do you need to tell you that Jesus atoned for the sins of everyone?

You want to blame God for your going to hell.
 

beloved57

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How many scriptures do you need to tell you that Jesus atoned for the sins of everyone?

You want to blame God for your going to hell.
You reject the scripture truth that everyone Christ died for are Justified Rom 4:25!

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I don't have much time or interest in some one that believes God is unjust and that his Son Jesus Christ is a failure.
Well if you feel this way, why continue with your double-mindedness exemplified by the fact that you rarely resist posting opinions to my responses that explain your errors? :idunno:

You complained I have not described my views of conscious, everlasting, retributive punishment by God. I corrected your mistaken complaint. In fact, most of my responses to you are actually corrections. You are one confused fellow, Robert.

You asked, I answered.

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Well if you feel this way, why continue with your double-mindedness exemplified by the fact that you rarely resist posting opinions to my responses that explain your errors? :idunno:

You complained I have not described my views of conscious, everlasting, retributive punishment by God. I corrected your mistaken complaint. In fact, most of my responses to you are actually corrections. You are one confused fellow, Robert.

You asked, I answered.

AMR

Your stance is very clear Here.

Though I fully disagree and could cite much scripture to refute you... your love for the "Spiritual Israel" doctrine that is embraced by Calvinism, the watch tower and the SDA would prevent you from understanding it.

I do respect how openly and articulaty you expressed this matter. There is, indeed, no doubt in your position.

I only wonder why Calvin embraced a doctrine that was propegated by the Mother Church. It is odd that Luther addressed "Purgatory" in the 95, but never followed through with the full biblical support for disintegration.

Oh well... such is dogma. Drop a little... ridicule a little. Adopt a metric ton.
 

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Robert,

Why don't you keep up with what I have posted?

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-need-a-hell&p=4604774&viewfull=1#post4604774

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4605440#post4605440

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?113700-Heaven-when-do-we-go-there&p=4492357#post4492357

Not unexpected, as you never directly respond to anyone who answers you, especially someone who demonstrates your many errors. You just repeat your same mere opinions and move on to the next blog entry.

Given your stated lack of understanding of the doctrine of everlasting punishment, here are some suggested deeper treatments:

http://www.bible-researcher.com/eternal.punishment.pdf

http://www.bible-researcher.com/hell7.html

http://www.bible-researcher.com/hell2.html

AMR

An exoteric view based on traditions of men and their generational assumptions based on Romes historical ruse for the 99% who are trained from birth/on paper to be followers of official polished rhetoric, the truth sets one free and grasped the Eoteric nature of the scripture that transcends this worlds (baby lon) understanding worshiping at the altar of intellectualism. Again Alivin Boyd Kuhn in Christ's Three Days In Hell makes you look silly and exposes the worldly Elitism Dogma you are deceived by, a mere parasitic host for religious propaganda built on carnal perception concerning Divine love and its ability to be involved in Good and Evil while wearing both masks.
 
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