My name is not Calvin.
I'm outta here. No more silly lying games.
Jesus said... "Beware of Men"
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I'm outta here. No more silly lying games.
KingdomRose
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Well, it is true when you think about it...the Law has been abolished. The Law being fulfilled means that it is OBSOLETE. No longer in force.
God promised a New Covenant. If the old one was for all time, why the new one? "In his saying 'a new covenant,' he has made the former one OBSOLETE." (Hebrews 8:13)
And where have I ever said that everyone is saved?
KingdomRose
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Observe your own post. "The Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER."
So there.
KingdomRose
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Jesus is NOT God, and he says and does what his Father and God tells him to do. The Divine Plan is the Father's, and Jesus subjects himself to whatever the Father wishes.
John 5:19
John 12:49,50
John 17:3
John 20:17
Does the Father judge humans? (Romans 2:16)
All things will be judged either by God or by Jesus Christ.
We know the Father doesn't judge humans. (John 5:22)
But yet God will judge sinners. (Hebrews 13:4)
KingdomRose
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That is a weak argument. Your pastors are grasping at straws. Some of the things they come up with are really lame.
Jehovah, the Father, God has GIVEN Jesus the job of judging. If Jehovah hadn't GIVEN it to him, Jesus would have no authority to judge.
But the fact is, Jesus is judging by the authority of God and on behalf of God. It's as if the Most High was doing the judging himself, no difference.
Jesus has all the power of God and they are on the same page.
What do you mean by they are on the same page? Are you saying they are equal?
You know very well Jesus says His Father is greater than He.
Jesus said, "A servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him." (John 13:16)
Being on the same page means they are of like mind, same script, same agenda.
Jesus and the Father are one, John 10:30.
They are one God.
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KingdomRose
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That is mostly correct. Jesus has power from God.....but not ALL the power. Jehovah is always the Most High.
KingdomRose
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That's right, and that means they are in absolute AGREEMENT. Just like the disciples are "one" with God and Christ. (John 17:20-23)
John 1:1-3 KJV - John 1:14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV -
KingdomRose
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Not unless the disciples are ALSO God!
Jesus prayed to his God and Father: "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in me through their word; that they may all be ONE; even as You, Father, are in me and I in You, that they may also be in us....The glory which You have given me I have given to them, that they may be ONE, just as we are ONE." (John 17:20-22)
Being "one" obviously means in agreement, or, unified.
KingdomRose
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I have commented on those verses ad nauseum. But I don't think you have commented on these:
John 5: 19,30
John 6: 38
John 8: 28,29
John 12: 49,50
John 14: 24,28
John 17: 3
John 20: 17
Would you be so kind? So far no one has done it.
There are many more verses that show Christ was sent from the Father and does the Father's will on earth. That is His earthly ministry. The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are one in the same.
1 John 5:7 KJV -